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Old 23rd October 2019, 15:22   #21
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Does this mean that all buses will have to turn their engine off at every bus stop ?
They already auto do around here. Ridiculous - They pull in to drop or collect a passenger, engine stop for a few seconds then restarts almost instantly. The stop/ start probably burns even more fuel and causes more pollution than just keeping the engine running, plus the battery recharging after a restart.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 17:59   #22
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Its always been an offence to run the engine of a vehicle when stationary, other when held up in normal traffic conditions. Bus drivers included. It was considered antisocial and that many years before most people could spell environment. Chris.S.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 18:55   #23
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I did once try turning the engine off whilst stationary at traffic lights, but without an automated stop / start facility it takes ages to restart.
Turn key to start engine, take car out of park and put into drive, release handbrake then pull away.

By the time you’re done all this, the driver behind has already been leaning on his horn !
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Old 23rd October 2019, 19:33   #24
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I did once try turning the engine off whilst stationary at traffic lights, but without an automated stop / start facility it takes ages to restart.

Turn key to start engine, take car out of park and put into drive, release handbrake then pull away.



By the time you’re done all this, the driver behind has already been leaning on his horn !
Our cars are not designed to do that type of stop start. Listen to a stop start car, and they have a different tone as though their starters are a lighter weight.

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I remember seeing signs for no idling while I was on holiday in Scotland 3 or 4 years ago.

It was the first I heard of it and I'm sure I read it was a local Scottish policy rather than a nation wide law.

Maybe I'm wrong or its changed recently to include the rest of the UK?
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Old 28th October 2019, 18:06   #26
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I remember seeing signs for no idling while I was on holiday in Scotland 3 or 4 years ago.
Been the case up here for some time. Frankly its a policy I have no objections to.
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shouldnt be cars outside school gates!
I was helping my mate out with his taxi business and occasionally did a council contract school run picking a kid up from a school in deepest Edinburgh. It was a nightmare, trying to get parked near the school because of Mummy picking the little darlings up in a huge Mitsubishi Shogun 4x4 or something equally practical for driving around the city.
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Old 28th October 2019, 19:49   #27
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All The problems around school entrances comes from selfish, idle parents, who could not give a *#@% about anything or anyone but themselves. Where I live ,people have had them park across dropped gutters, double yellow lines, no loading or unloading, restricted time zones, people’s drives, pavements, corners. Bringing there offspring up to be lawless little creeps. It is a shame for the children that they have parents like that.
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Old 29th October 2019, 01:21   #28
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Just another tax(fine) on drivers
Could not agree more Russel.

How many people (although I agree they have a point) have seen cars ticking over near a school has NOTHING to do with it whatsoever.

Council's could not care less about child health or safety.

Chris Grayling, Transport Secretary, said:
We are determined to crack down on drivers who pollute our communities by leaving their engines running, particularly outside school gates where our children are breathing in this toxic air.
I can smell that from where I am.
Anyone who believes that load of rubbish, or the fact that it has nothing to do with raking in millions in motorist fines is deluded, or at the very least not worried sick about their kids crossing the road with no warden.

All the if's and but's are what councils could do, instead of cracking down on fines that are being missed out on, and raising them into the bargain.

The same upstanding pillars of our communities are happy to axe school crossing wardens services. The school crossing wardens job outside our village infant school has just been axed.

So it is ok for a child to get knocked down or killed crossing the road outside our village infant school, as long as the child was not "breathing in this toxic air" at the time.

Makes me sick.
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Old 29th October 2019, 10:55   #29
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I'm fascinated by the expense involved in this one particular activity. National coverage by all of the media, rows in parliament and hopeless virtue signallers waving by do-gooders (as if there wasn't enough already), signage, training, advertising and so much more. All of it ineffective because so many believe the message is not for them because they 'will only be a minute'.

All it takes is one teacher, or similar official, with a lollipop type sign to patrol for 15 minutes at the right time of day along the pavement. With large camera in hand (not a phone, it has to be intimidating) and obviously discouraging the imminent destruction of mankind it wouldn't take long to stop it - at no cost.

Local councils, if they were in any way effective or really concerned, could install small bollards and double yellows to stop kerb parking. Traffic wardens could get their daily dozen, all in about 1/2 an hour, then stroll away with their ravenous hunger satisfied. Local Authority coffers would be replete and free TV licences could be reinstated for pensioners. Maybe.
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And Im still amazed why any driver would think it is acceptable to run their engine other than when actually driving! But Im also amazed at pavement parkers and the "justification" given by drivers. But I am sure drivers will carry on doing these things because? well no one stops them. Chris.S.
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