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Old 14th October 2019, 07:34   #51
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I know people mean well discussing Climate Change, and I am well aware it needs to be addressed, but why is being shoved down our throats on here?

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Old 14th October 2019, 10:00   #52
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The only way you can get confronted by anything written here, is if you click on this thread.
I suggest you refrain from doing so, if it upsets you.
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Old 14th October 2019, 10:05   #53
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And here is an article how the adoption of EV will reduce state revenue, and how, to compensate, you will pay with personal freedom.

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Ene...-Adoption.html
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Kaiser, or xx if you prefer, I'm sure I'm missing something. In posts 72 & 79 you mention 'you' but, at least for me, the object is unclear. May I ask you again who your intended audience is ie: an individual or a wider aspect. I wouldn't want to misunderstand your meaning. Thanks.
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Yes I can see ructions happening here, I've been reading that Birmingham city council are voting on a WPL (workplace parking levy) like Scotland voted for the other day on Tuesday 15th Oct to implement a £500/parking space to get people out of cars & onto public transport.

https://airqualitynews.com/2019/10/1...-parking-levy/



It's now got the Royal seal of approval in the environmental bill this morning. https://airqualitynews.com/2019/10/1...ion-confirmed/
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Old 14th October 2019, 12:32   #56
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Kaiser, or xx if you prefer, I'm sure I'm missing something. In posts 72 & 79 you mention 'you' but, at least for me, the object is unclear. May I ask you again who your intended audience is ie: an individual or a wider aspect. I wouldn't want to misunderstand your meaning. Thanks.
I don't share your concern. The meaning does not change whichever way you interpret the word "you".
And as I am all for free expression and free choice, I will leave it to you how you want to define "you".
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Old 14th October 2019, 13:28   #57
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Driving a car requires an infrastructure like roads and bridges etc. Established tax practice used to be that if you wanted to use these roads, you, as a road user, would have to pay for construction and maintenance. I think that principle is well established and regarded as fair, if fairly implemented

I would be unhappy if I, as a cyclist, would have to subsidize you as an electric vehicle user, for using the infrastructure.
No doubt any government would be forced to consider the users of EVs to pay their fair share of such infrastructure. Currently that is done via a tax on the fuel you use. So if you don't drive, you pay nothing, if you drive, you pay proportionally to the amount you use of fuel.

Now, how would that be done for electric vehicles?
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Old 14th October 2019, 15:17   #58
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You pay a Vehicle Excise Tax(VEL) to use a vehicle on a road, its been done before, say £300.00 per 4wheeled, and £100.00 increase for another 2wheels. Pollution tax paid by maker on each vehicle at 10% of Retail sale price. No "special cases" Chris.S.
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Simple. Every charging point, even domestic outlets, to contain a mini dedicated meter, they are very simple. Commercial establishments to charge before plug release or have credit card inserted prior to charging. Domestic charge points have separate tariffs which are added to usual domestic direct debit bills. These can be changed remotely to reflect duties payable as in smart meters so tax imperatives can be maintained. However, if total charges are equivalent to liquid fuel usage there is no cost advantage so will affect roll-out. Cost will always be a factor. There will be glitches, but there is minimal hardware, no outer premises or staff overheads and instant disconnection where required. Provider revenue (and their corp. tax) is liable.
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Simple. Every charging point, even domestic outlets, to contain a mini dedicated meter, they are very simple. Commercial establishments to charge before plug release or have credit card inserted prior to charging. Domestic charge points have separate tariffs which are added to usual domestic direct debit bills. These can be changed remotely to reflect duties payable as in smart meters so tax imperatives can be maintained. However, if total charges are equivalent to liquid fuel usage there is no cost advantage so will affect roll-out. Cost will always be a factor. There will be glitches, but there is minimal hardware, no outer premises or staff overheads and instant disconnection where required. Provider revenue (and their corp. tax) is liable.

How are you going to differentiate between domestic use of electricity and the charging of an EV?.
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