London Emissions Zone 2021

[Artemis]

Yep out transport is great. Lots of buses and tubes and National Rail. But it is a very very big city so not all places get service. And we have to go outside sometimes you know. I am not saying the charge is wrong. Just that I don't know what to do as I love my 75. I will have to get rid of it in early '21.

[topman]

Originally Posted by steve-45

Now if the mayor really wanted to reduce road usage and pollution, how about free travel for ALL and not just those over 60.

And yes, I am over 60 ...

Might be a bit of a problem to pay for that subsidy.

[macafee2]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Yep out transport is great. Lots of buses and tubes and National Rail. But it is a very very big city so not all places get service. And we have to go outside sometimes you know. I am not saying the charge is wrong. Just that I don't know what to do as I love my 75. I will have to get rid of it in early '21.

for some the time and distance required to get to to get to public transport added to the times public transport takes to arrive at the pick up point and then takes to get to the destination is too much. There is then the return journey, crowding and convenience.

Not used public transport in London for many many years but I recall it to be very time consuming.

Hitting diesels may help with pollution but will it deal with congestion? How much influence has the congestion charge had? I recall motor biking along the A40 filtering between lanes of stationary traffic on the way to Park Royal some 20 years ago, congestion was a nightmare then. wondered how people in cars could face it day after day

while some like the hustle and bustle of London, it is not for me. I prefer the green fields, forests and quiet of the country.

What has public transport been like this hot summer?

macafee2

[Jules]

I think paying 12 quid a day to drive your beloved 75 into the zones is still cheaper than laying out 30k on an electric vehicle which will depreciate like hell & then the batteries wear out ??!!

[SD1too]

Originally Posted by Rickoshea

I also don’t really understand why anyone in London needs a car.

• Transporting more luggage than can be reasonably carried on public transport.
• Transporting a group of people more economically.
• Convenience, when the public transport routes are not.
• For journeys outside the London area.
• For long distances when food and drink is needed during the journey.
• For use during the hours when public transport is sparse or non-existent.

Patrick, I am surprised that, having declared your profession as a “travel planner” and live in the suburbs, you should then make the statement above.

Simon

[topman]

Originally Posted by macafee2

for some the time and distance required to get to to get to public transport added to the times public transport takes to arrive at the pick up point and then takes to get to the destination is too much. There is then the return journey, crowding and convenience.

Not used public transport in London for many many years but I recall it to be very time consuming.

What has public transport been like this hot summer?

I used it early this summer, it was great very convenient and cheap with tubes every 2 minutes everywhere i went. Whether that's the case everywhere in London, i don't know but it was certainly the case where we used it.

[topman]

Originally Posted by SD1too

• Transporting more luggage than can be reasonably carried on public transport.
• Transporting a group of people more economically.
• Convenience, when the public transport routes are not.
• For journeys outside the London area.
• For long distances when food and drink is needed during the journey.
• For use during the hours when public transport is sparse or non-existent.

I wouldn't image that is a common set of things to happen on a daily basis for the majority. Hire cars and taxis would cover off those sort of things and still be cheaper than running a car.
Whenever I've been in London having a car struck as me as a bit of a pain/luxury to own.

[Gate Keeper]

Originally Posted by SD1too

• Transporting more luggage than can be reasonably carried on public transport.
• Transporting a group of people more economically.
• Convenience, when the public transport routes are not.
• For journeys outside the London area.
• For long distances when food and drink is needed during the journey.
• For use during the hours when public transport is sparse or non-existent.

Patrick, I am surprised that, having declared your profession as a “travel planner” and live in the suburbs, you should then make the statement above.

Simon

All valid and strong points Simon, thank you for making them.

Moving onto another change: the government wants to phase out diesel trains by 2040 https://www.ft.com/content/026e3bc6-...e-08320fc2a277

[Gate Keeper]

Originally Posted by topman

I wouldn't image that is a common set of things to happen on a daily basis for the majority. Hire cars and taxis would cover off those sort of things and still be cheaper than running a car.
Whenever I've been in London having a car struck as me as a bit of a pain/luxury to own.

Thankfully Londoners don’t all think like you do about owning a car

[topman]

That FT link is behind a paywall.