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Old 2nd July 2020, 17:12   #1
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when it comes to building and I'm thinking a garage are you cost wise, better to get a builder to do the lot or individual tradesmen
if all do their work to spec?
foundations, concrete floor, brick layer, chippy, roofer, sparks?

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Old 2nd July 2020, 17:39   #2
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when it comes to building and I'm thinking a garage are you cost wise, better to get a builder to do the lot or individual tradesmen
if all do their work to spec?
foundations, concrete floor, brick layer, chippy, roofer, sparks?

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Don't get the cowboys in in my advice Ian, just look at this abortion thrown up opposite me



I'm going to set out the foundations on my new workshop, then employ a brickie to build the walls, and once they're up I'll order the roof trusses and tiles to finish off the top end.

As to your question, get some quotes and see what they say, a lot of builders simply are not interested in small jobs unfortunately, and more importantly get the names of previous customers who have had work done and are happy for you to talk to them.

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Just curious Brian. You say abortion. Any chance you could be just a bit more specific ??----
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Further to the above post.

I used to run a variety of building sites before retirement.

Below is a pic of one of the sites I was in charge of as site manager. An estate of 40 houses. The drawings I was given were for houses on a level field.

I personally changed the foundations and added extra features to accommodate those changes.

That's what made me curious about your observations on that garage.


PS. Plus it's got a ROVER in it. Lol.


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Don't get the cowboys in in my advice Ian, just look at this abortion thrown up opposite me



I'm going to set out the foundations on my new workshop, then employ a brickie to build the walls, and once they're up I'll order the roof trusses and tiles to finish off the top end.

As to your question, get some quotes and see what they say, a lot of builders simply are not interested in small jobs unfortunately, and more importantly get the names of previous customers who have had work done and are happy for you to talk to them.

Brian


The big question is though Brian, have you moved all those bricks yet?

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Further to the above post.

I used to run a variety of building sites before retirement.

Below is a pic of one of the sites I was in charge of as site manager. An estate of 40 houses. The drawings I was given were for houses on a level field.

I personally changed the foundations and added extra features to accommodate those changes.

That's what made me curious about your observations on that garage.


PS. Plus it's got a ROVER in it. Lol.

I don't know where to start really Jon, the brickwork is ropey, the headlap on the tiles is wrong, the walls are not parallel to one another, nor perpendicular, the roof trusses are not in line with one another, and the bottom row of tiles has no tilting fillet plus the membrane runs underneath the (non treated) tiling battons.

There was a parapet wall between the two garages with capping on, this was removed but the last courses were not, so the roof intersects the remains of the parapet which has some sort of sticky flashing like flashband stuck to the membrane, and a big gap at the end of the tiles.

Apart from anything else the bottom tile batten isn't parallel with the eaves so as a result the tiles run off at an angle, which can be seen at the verges where no undercloak was used, dry verge nailed to a wooden lath nailed to the compo at the top of the brickwork.

The gutter runs uphill to both sides of the downcomer, which has been run around the corner

A quality job, you bet

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Thanks Brian. Difficult to see all that from the pic.---

To the OP. Most of the work building a garage is fairly easy if you have reasonable building skills. If not then you might be able to tackle the floor slab yourself and even the simple electrics but you'll need the other three trades to complete the job.----

Look at their previous work though and don't take any chances.---Good luck with it.


With any job quality control by yourself is ESSENTIAL to nip any errors in the bud.



PS. Tiling battens. The membrane has to have the battens on top so that the hooks on the roof tiles can fix on to them.


The angle of the roof determines if tilting fillets are required.

The wall plate that the gang-nailed roof trusses sits on must also be fixed down to the garage walls by wall straps.


As they say in the trade the work needs a good coat of looking at.--Lol.

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Thanks Brian. Difficult to see all that from the pic.---

To the OP. Most of the work building a garage is fairly easy if you have reasonable building skills. If not then you might be able to tackle the floor slab yourself and even the simple electrics but you'll need the other three trades to complete the job.----

Look at their previous work though and don't take any chances.---Good luck with it.


With any job quality control by yourself is ESSENTIAL to nip any errors in the bud.



PS. Tiling battens. The membrane has to have the battens on top so that the hooks on the roof tiles can fix on to them.


The angle of the roof determines if tilting fillets are required.

The wall plate that the gang-nailed roof trusses sits on must also be fixed down to the garage walls by wall straps.


As they say in the trade the work needs a good coat of looking at.--Lol.
I'm not a builder but I put this up ten years ago, a lot of the work is common sense. If you have enough confidence to mend a car then I reckon you are good enough to do most things, this cost me £3,500 in materials but prices for stuff are much higher now.
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Thanks Brian. Difficult to see all that from the pic.---

To the OP. Most of the work building a garage is fairly easy if you have reasonable building skills. If not then you might be able to tackle the floor slab yourself and even the simple electrics but you'll need the other three trades to complete the job.----

Look at their previous work though and don't take any chances.---Good luck with it.


With any job quality control by yourself is ESSENTIAL to nip any errors in the bud.



PS. Tiling battens. The membrane has to have the battens on top so that the hooks on the roof tiles can fix on to them.


The angle of the roof determines if tilting fillets are required.

The wall plate that the gang-nailed roof trusses sits on must also be fixed down to the garage walls by wall straps.


As they say in the trade the work needs a good coat of looking at.--Lol.
brick work is beyond me and I don't think I have the skills for the roof.
As for electrics, yes I could do them but I'd like them certified. The slab, worried I'd get it wrong and it would bend and crack.
I have these ideas going around in my head, I can go 4 meters vertical without planning permission but I think I'd like a lift and so with the depth and width of the garage I may need more the 4 meters in height for the slope of the roof. I'd also like a loft that I can stand up in.
This may be my one chance to have a very big garage with a "workshop" attached. Workshop would have my lathe, shot blaster and compressor, work benches benches and I think I'd get some new toys such as a pillar drill.

I would be at home every day so can try to keep an eye on things.

could all be pie in the sky but I'd like to be prepared

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I'm not a builder but I put this up ten years ago, a lot of the work is common sense. If you have enough confidence to mend a car then I reckon you are good enough to do most things, this cost me £3,500 in materials but prices for stuff are much higher now.
Better then I could do, well done.
I'm good with nuts and bolts

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