World population control anyone?

MissMoppet · 6th May 2020, 19:16

"The world's population is now 6.7Bn, roughly double what it was when I was born. I simply cannot understand why no-one discusses this impending calamity, and why no world statesmen have the guts to treat the issue with the seriousness it deserves. We seem to have given up on population control." - said Boris Johnson 25 October 2007 in the Daily Telegraph.

Well that didn't work out then, did it?

(PS Being of simple mind but a curious nature a few months ago I lodged a FOI request to the Cabinet Office, asking "How many children has the PM?" After some delay the reply came: "I am writing to advise you that following a search of our paper and electronic records, I have established that the information you requested is not held by the Cabinet Office." I bet they didn't look very hard . . .)

macafee2 · 6th May 2020, 19:38

I thought china tried some control with a 1 child policy.

Science is a reason our population increases, we cure illnesses. I'm not going to, but perhaps I should include lockdown as a reason our population is not able to decrease enough. May be mother nature has its way of controlling the population but science comes along and thwarts it.
We try to cure famine in the 3rd world, another add to the population for the "few" that survive.

I have no idea how you could easily control the population growth.

SCP440 · 6th May 2020, 20:55

The population is increasing quicker in the poorer parts of the world. In these parts of the world with a higher child mortality rate and needing more children to work families with several children is considered normal. With the mortality rate reducing it does not take many generations especially with them having babies at a young age before there is a big increase in numbers.

The other thing is we have not had a major world conflict for 75 years or bad pandemic for 100 years. 40 million 1st world war, 50 million Spanish flu and 85 million 2nd world war.

Most modern developed countries population stays consistent or even decreases, places like Japan have a problem that they have an ageing population as many couple have only had one child for a few decades.

KWIL · 7th May 2020, 07:59

On top of all this we are now being told that by 2070 a considerable area of the world will be too hot to sustain life, so there will be ever increasing migration to more temporate climes. I wonder where that will be?....

coolcat · 7th May 2020, 12:18

A World War always used to drop the population count

Short of a war or some natural cataclysm the only way to control population would be by totalitarian rule!
Not something we would want I'm sure.

Time to start exploring space and finding other worlds for us to populate and pillage.

Happy Days

M17TT · 7th May 2020, 12:27

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Originally Posted by coolcat

A World War always used to drop the population count

Short of a war or some natural cataclysm the only way to control population would be by totalitarian rule!
Not something we would want I'm sure.

Time to start exploring space and finding other worlds for us to populate and pillage.

Happy Days

Finding new worlds is the relatively easy part, its getting to them.

wraymond · 7th May 2020, 13:11

Given the historic greed and vandalism by mankind, I wouldn't criticise Mother Nature. She is incredibly generous and patient in the extreme. She is gentle and takes her time to provide the means of sustenance of her sometimes wilful children. Not unlike a real Mother.

The problem is to some extent down to indiscriminate casual procreation and the fall from grace of social respect and tolerance. People read all kinds of dubious meanings into pandemics, often as some sort of retribution - there are notable old books full of it - but in the end it's a simple equation. The nature of Man is at fault, from greed, fear, and territorial ambition.

jackatesme · 7th May 2020, 14:31

If every country in the world progressed up to the standard of America. Then the world would need to be 5 times it's size to create the energy needed.

KWIL · 7th May 2020, 17:34

Jakeatesme is quite correct, consider also why the rest of the world (in general) cannot be brought up to western standards, there is not enough energy, raw materials or food to do so.

macafee2 · 7th May 2020, 20:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by wraymond

Given the historic greed and vandalism by mankind, I wouldn't criticise Mother Nature. She is incredibly generous and patient in the extreme. She is gentle and takes her time to provide the means of sustenance of her sometimes wilful children. Not unlike a real Mother.

The problem is to some extent down to indiscriminate casual procreation and the fall from grace of social respect and tolerance. People read all kinds of dubious meanings into pandemics, often as some sort of retribution - there are notable old books full of it - but in the end it's a simple equation. The nature of Man is at fault, from greed, fear, and territorial ambition.

can you help me understand how greed, fear, and territorial ambition
connects to the title of the thread, World population control anyone?

macafee2

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macafee2 This is my second home Rover 75 Saloon & Tourer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Lincoln Posts: 14,926 Thanks: 1,630 Thanked 3,032 Times in 2,181 Posts	I thought china tried some control with a 1 child policy. Science is a reason our population increases, we cure illnesses. I'm not going to, but perhaps I should include lockdown as a reason our population is not able to decrease enough. May be mother nature has its way of controlling the population but science comes along and thwarts it. We try to cure famine in the 3rd world, another add to the population for the "few" that survive. I have no idea how you could easily control the population growth.

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SCP440 I really should get out more....... MG ZT-T 260 Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Witney Posts: 2,504 Thanks: 6 Thanked 910 Times in 571 Posts	The population is increasing quicker in the poorer parts of the world. In these parts of the world with a higher child mortality rate and needing more children to work families with several children is considered normal. With the mortality rate reducing it does not take many generations especially with them having babies at a young age before there is a big increase in numbers. The other thing is we have not had a major world conflict for 75 years or bad pandemic for 100 years. 40 million 1st world war, 50 million Spanish flu and 85 million 2nd world war. Most modern developed countries population stays consistent or even decreases, places like Japan have a problem that they have an ageing population as many couple have only had one child for a few decades.

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KWIL Precise Rover 75 Tourer 2.5KV6 Connoisseur SE Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Fleet Posts: 2,954 Thanks: 630 Thanked 617 Times in 480 Posts	On top of all this we are now being told that by 2070 a considerable area of the world will be too hot to sustain life, so there will be ever increasing migration to more temporate climes. I wonder where that will be?....

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KWIL Precise Rover 75 Tourer 2.5KV6 Connoisseur SE Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Fleet Posts: 2,954 Thanks: 630 Thanked 617 Times in 480 Posts	Jakeatesme is quite correct, consider also why the rest of the world (in general) cannot be brought up to western standards, there is not enough energy, raw materials or food to do so.