Zt 190 vs ZT 160 Turbo performance? - Page 2

rrobson · 30th December 2017, 12:15

If your mapper is careful and you do a few choice upgrades you can easily get over 250 bhp from a standard engine. 300 is the absolute upper limit on standard components.
I think the lack of off the shelf upgrades stops people bothering with the v6 but I believe it's got a lot to give.
I track my 1.8t and give it death and it's been absolutely no trouble. I'd go out and buy a turbo now without hesitation.
Just watch out for neglected examples both the 1.8 and v6. But the 1.8 will be a great deal cheaper to look after. A complete rebuild is only around £700, belts and a service on a v6 will cost nearly that

djb222 · 30th December 2017, 13:04

How about a Supercharger for the 1.8, better low down torque, up to 260bhp possibly more.
A few years ago I was fortunate enough to experience a 190bhp 1.8k supercharged engine in a Lotus Elise, the fastest most responsive car I've been in. Ok a ZT is heavier to drag along but should be a hoot.

Link for supercharged 1.8. http://www.hangar111.com/lotus/rover...-supercharger/

How about a 1.8T with a supercharger hmmmmmm.

rrobson · 30th December 2017, 16:35

The only problem with the hangar setup is its hideously expensive which is ok for the lotus boys, the value of their cars massively offsets the cost of supercharging. For us lot, spending 2 to 3 times the value for the car is completely out of the question.
I recon you could have 270-280 bhp for £1500 I think the hangar kit alone is twice that without fitting and mapping

Apologies, having looked at the current pricing of the hangar kit, you'll be in for £7000 to get it sorted. Even if you needed management and en engine rebuild you won't go over £3000 on a turbo build unless you get it done for you but add £2k for labour on both anyway

djb222 · 30th December 2017, 17:06

Yes.....the cost is a little prohibitive..

TurboTechnics also do a Supercharger conversion £4k plus ecu. The elise had this 190 conversion.

I can't say it's something I would do.

VVC-Geeza · 30th December 2017, 20:31

Did Geraint finish his 1.8K build?

If so anyone know what power it made?

rrobson · 31st December 2017, 10:29

He's still on with it. Getting close though, still aiming for 500+ bhp. He's got a group on Facebook

jonc3725 · 31st December 2017, 11:52

This a conversation that has always interested me.

The V6 does sound nice and if you open the vis motors it accelerates really well but is pants with mid range torque. There has never been much desire in industry to tune these apart from the occasional supercharger.

The 1.8 can be a strong enough engine (Lotus did ok with it) if put together properly and maintained well. The 1.8T is also very tuneable with good power gains.. I would think with the right mods 250 is easily achievable. Not sure the 500 BHP will last long.

When I finish my current projects I wouldnt mind a 1.8t ZT as a project to give it a go

Mgaz · 5th January 2018, 02:31

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Originally Posted by FLYING BANANA

The Flying Banana has been re-mapped to 205bhp, the head has now been ported. And, yes she has had a few HGF's along the way. But her current mileage is 196,300. Pretty good for the 'K' series so I've been told.

On a good run she will return 40mpg plus. But will leave many a Audi or Beemer in her dust.

Never owned a V6 so cannot comment on the performance but I have owned 2 V8's.
The first one, no.155, had all the toys but was in basic form engine wise. Now sold.
However the current MG ZTT 400, no.457, has a Kenne Bell supercharger fitted and goes like stink. Poverty spec car with no toys. Less weight and less to go wrong. (However she is currently off of the road with a ECU fault). 26mpg is possible on a good run, but I have managed to get that down to 8mpg and had to change the rear tyres after only 4,000 miles.

If I'm going to be truthful, then give me the 1.8t anytime.

Just seen a 1.8 t for sale...

Have you had any HGF with the MLS gasket at all?

Just wondering if the MLS gasket is a 100% fix for head gasket issues?

Mgaz · 5th January 2018, 02:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrobson

He's still on with it. Getting close though, still aiming for 500+ bhp. He's got a group on Facebook

Is that a k series engine?
I think I assumed it was either the old 2.0L turbo motor or an audi / vw 1.8 turbo swap?

Yella Fella · 5th January 2018, 07:56

Iv had the V6 160 and now have the Turbo 160. I prefer the Turbo 160.

Of course there are pros and cons for each engine and people have their personal preferences but on balance its the Turbo for me.

I had my TF 160 VVC remapped by Z and F Tuning (as they were call back then), now Kmaps, and it made a fantastic difference. Not so much in power as the VVC only has about another 8bhp to give but the smoothness of the performance was greatly improved, in particular mid range power. This meant 3rd gear was great when picking up power.

A Kmaps tamper is planned for March this year on my ZT Turbo 160

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30th December 2017, 12:15	#11
rrobson I really should get out more....... 75 tourer cdti, MG ZS 180, nissan terrano & 1.8t rover 25 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Pontefract Posts: 2,644 Thanks: 17 Thanked 295 Times in 218 Posts	If your mapper is careful and you do a few choice upgrades you can easily get over 250 bhp from a standard engine. 300 is the absolute upper limit on standard components. I think the lack of off the shelf upgrades stops people bothering with the v6 but I believe it's got a lot to give. I track my 1.8t and give it death and it's been absolutely no trouble. I'd go out and buy a turbo now without hesitation. Just watch out for neglected examples both the 1.8 and v6. But the 1.8 will be a great deal cheaper to look after. A complete rebuild is only around £700, belts and a service on a v6 will cost nearly that __________________ How to view a car - everything you need to help you inspect a used car VIS motor tester avalible to local members Injector removal tool and auto gearbox pressure tester now available

30th December 2017, 13:04	#12
djb222 Regular poster MG ZT+ 190, Range Rover Sport 2010, 1968 Lotus Elan S4 SE Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Birmingham Posts: 91 Thanks: 12 Thanked 25 Times in 18 Posts	How about a Supercharger for the 1.8, better low down torque, up to 260bhp possibly more. A few years ago I was fortunate enough to experience a 190bhp 1.8k supercharged engine in a Lotus Elise, the fastest most responsive car I've been in. Ok a ZT is heavier to drag along but should be a hoot. Link for supercharged 1.8. http://www.hangar111.com/lotus/rover...-supercharger/ How about a 1.8T with a supercharger hmmmmmm. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] This vehicle was the 17,986th ZT to run off the production line, out of 18,894 This vehicle was the 3,967th ZT 190 + to be made out of 4,023 This vehicle was the 195th ZT in Mica Blue (Ignition) (code: JGY) to be made out of 323 Mica Blue (Ignition) ZTs

30th December 2017, 16:35	#13
rrobson I really should get out more....... 75 tourer cdti, MG ZS 180, nissan terrano & 1.8t rover 25 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Pontefract Posts: 2,644 Thanks: 17 Thanked 295 Times in 218 Posts	The only problem with the hangar setup is its hideously expensive which is ok for the lotus boys, the value of their cars massively offsets the cost of supercharging. For us lot, spending 2 to 3 times the value for the car is completely out of the question. I recon you could have 270-280 bhp for £1500 I think the hangar kit alone is twice that without fitting and mapping Apologies, having looked at the current pricing of the hangar kit, you'll be in for £7000 to get it sorted. Even if you needed management and en engine rebuild you won't go over £3000 on a turbo build unless you get it done for you but add £2k for labour on both anyway __________________ How to view a car - everything you need to help you inspect a used car VIS motor tester avalible to local members Injector removal tool and auto gearbox pressure tester now available Last edited by rrobson; 30th December 2017 at 16:39..

30th December 2017, 17:06	#14
djb222 Regular poster MG ZT+ 190, Range Rover Sport 2010, 1968 Lotus Elan S4 SE Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Birmingham Posts: 91 Thanks: 12 Thanked 25 Times in 18 Posts	Yes.....the cost is a little prohibitive.. TurboTechnics also do a Supercharger conversion £4k plus ecu. The elise had this 190 conversion. I can't say it's something I would do. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] This vehicle was the 17,986th ZT to run off the production line, out of 18,894 This vehicle was the 3,967th ZT 190 + to be made out of 4,023 This vehicle was the 195th ZT in Mica Blue (Ignition) (code: JGY) to be made out of 323 Mica Blue (Ignition) ZTs

30th December 2017, 20:31	#15
VVC-Geeza This is my second home 2005 Connoisseur SE 1.8 Turbo,2004 45 1.8 Connoisseur and my beloved 1998 VVC Coupe. Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Derby. Posts: 8,761 Thanks: 2,022 Thanked 1,016 Times in 739 Posts	Did Geraint finish his 1.8K build? If so anyone know what power it made? __________________

31st December 2017, 10:29	#16
rrobson I really should get out more....... 75 tourer cdti, MG ZS 180, nissan terrano & 1.8t rover 25 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Pontefract Posts: 2,644 Thanks: 17 Thanked 295 Times in 218 Posts	He's still on with it. Getting close though, still aiming for 500+ bhp. He's got a group on Facebook __________________ How to view a car - everything you need to help you inspect a used car VIS motor tester avalible to local members Injector removal tool and auto gearbox pressure tester now available

31st December 2017, 11:52	#17
jonc3725 Posted a thing or two MG ZT 190 + and MKIV Supra Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Plymouth Posts: 1,551 Thanks: 224 Thanked 493 Times in 359 Posts	This a conversation that has always interested me. The V6 does sound nice and if you open the vis motors it accelerates really well but is pants with mid range torque. There has never been much desire in industry to tune these apart from the occasional supercharger. The 1.8 can be a strong enough engine (Lotus did ok with it) if put together properly and maintained well. The 1.8T is also very tuneable with good power gains.. I would think with the right mods 250 is easily achievable. Not sure the 500 BHP will last long. When I finish my current projects I wouldnt mind a 1.8t ZT as a project to give it a go __________________ Jon C Living the dream MK IV VVTI Tiptronic TT Toyota Supra MG ZT 190+ BornTuesday, 10th July 2001 @ 09:01:10 259th ZT to run off the production line, out of 18,894 252nd ZT 190 + to be made out of 4,023 101st ZT in Solar Red (code: CEU) to be made out of 1,888

5th January 2018, 07:56	#20
Yella Fella Nemo Me Impune Lacessit None at the moment Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Glasgow's HMP Barlinnie, 'A' Hall, 2nd Flat Posts: 5,192 Thanks: 493 Thanked 1,094 Times in 666 Posts	Iv had the V6 160 and now have the Turbo 160. I prefer the Turbo 160. Of course there are pros and cons for each engine and people have their personal preferences but on balance its the Turbo for me. I had my TF 160 VVC remapped by Z and F Tuning (as they were call back then), now Kmaps, and it made a fantastic difference. Not so much in power as the VVC only has about another 8bhp to give but the smoothness of the performance was greatly improved, in particular mid range power. This meant 3rd gear was great when picking up power. A Kmaps tamper is planned for March this year on my ZT Turbo 160 . __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]