Are EVs really the answer in the future? I do not think so.

[Mike Noc]

Don't know how old you are Peter, but back in the seventies I can remember the panic then was about fossil fuels running out.

[Lovel]

My new EV is emissions free

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-50812616

[trikey]

Originally Posted by Lovel

My new EV is emissions free

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-50812616

Makes up for the Hillman Imp then....

[Lovel]

Originally Posted by trikey

Makes up for the Hillman Imp then....

An Imp with a difference. Running gear from a written off Geordie Leaf

Nah not really but perhaps something I should consider.

[marinabrian]

Originally Posted by Lovel

An Imp with a difference. Running gear from a written off Geordie Leaf

Nah not really but perhaps something I should consider.

A what Leaf? Mackem perhaps, Geordie not on your nellie

Forsaking a Coventry Climax, for a milk float isn't my idea of a good idea

[Comfortably Numb]

Lovel, you had better retract that slanderous statement - Nissans are NOT made in Geordieland. Beware - or suffer the wrath of Brian!

[Comfortably Numb]

Shucks, beat me to it!

[marinabrian]

Originally Posted by Comfortably Numb

Lovel, you had better retract that slanderous statement - Nissans are NOT made in Geordieland. Beware - or suffer the wrath of Brian!

Far too late for that Andrew

[Avulon]

Originally Posted by sworks

No range is used by heating the battery, It’s negligible as it’s heated using 12 volts and not the high voltage battery, the same as the cabin which is also 12 volts. The AC compressor is however high voltage

It was cabin heating I was asking about. I fail to see your logic of 'negligible as it's heated using 12 volts' - it's the power used not the voltage it's used at that is important. I can't imagine cabin heating using less than a 1kw heater running at maybe an average of 25% (250W/ 0.25 Kw/h) - I'd hardly think that negligible when every mile of range counts.

Originally Posted by sworks

There aren’t that many cars out there under 11k new, certainly not with the same spec as the Leaf

Well, spec aside there are plenty of small cars at or under 11k available. None of them are EV though.


e.g. Skoda Citigo, Dacia Sandero, Hyundai i10, kia picanto, toyota Aygo, Dacia Logan, MG3 etc... All perfectly capable of being driven the length of the UK in one day with refuelling stops. Not something we can say yet of any EV at twice the purchase price.

[sworks]

Originally Posted by Avulon

It was cabin heating I was asking about. I fail to see your logic of 'negligible as it's heated using 12 volts' - it's the power used not the voltage it's used at that is important. I can't imagine cabin heating using less than a 1kw heater running at maybe an average of 25% (250W/ 0.25 Kw/h) - I'd hardly think that negligible when every mile of range counts.


Well, spec aside there are plenty of small cars at or under 11k available. None of them are EV though.


e.g. Skoda Citigo, Dacia Sandero, Hyundai i10, kia picanto, toyota Aygo, Dacia Logan, MG3 etc... All perfectly capable of being driven the length of the UK in one day with refuelling stops. Not something we can say yet of any EV at twice the purchase price.

The range of an EV is down to the high voltage battery which is around 360 volts, the internal heater runs from the low volt 12 volt system so has no effect on range. Admittedly if you bring AC into the equation then that’s high voltage.

I think we’ll have to agree to disagree, you can’t discount spec, the higher the spec the more expensive the car. I know an i10 won’t cover the length of the UK without a refuel and even if it did surely you would need a rest stop?