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Old 18th January 2019, 18:54   #41
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Accidents Happen.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQn_3i8Y9zc
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Old 18th January 2019, 18:55   #42
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It all depends on the kind of accident you want to have.
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Old 18th January 2019, 18:58   #43
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To witness the horrid standard of driving in this day and age, take a drive on the M6 North or Southbound for about 10 miles so as to give you a broad idea of male/female drivers who treat the M6 like Silverstone,in rain/snow/wind/fog. Preferably the Lancashire section so as to avoid the roadworks. Just tootle along in the slow lane at 70 mph and witness cars rocketing past at at least 90 mph.
Also check the road reports, EVERY day there is an accident on the M6 in the Lancashire area due to these ars****** You might as well add the M65/M61 to that scenairo as well.

As for the roadworks travelling at 50 mph when travelling between the speed cameras you have the HGV's thundering past, then slowing down as they get to the next set of cameras..........
Methinks a pilots licence would be in order, nice little helicopter.....
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Old 18th January 2019, 19:04   #44
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Am I the only one who was impressed with the Kia?
Alas new cars don't do it for me.

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Old 18th January 2019, 19:16   #45
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Surely the vast majority of collisions occur because one human being makes an error of judgement and makes a choice in their actions which has nasty consequences?

Such as, perhaps, pulling out of a junction when there isn't enough space/time to do so and......crunch.

Now, IMHO the focus should surely be on the competence of the driver to be in control of a vehicle. If they are unable to judge the speed of approaching traffic and work out if the vehicle they are driving is capable of pulling out safely without any other road user changing their speed or course then, maybe, they shouldn't be in control of any vehicle on the public road?

Interestingly the knee jerk reaction seems to be a discussion about reducing the speed limit on the major road. I'm going for a person with a flag walking in front of every vehicle . Might reduce the unemployment figures also .

I've posted before that perhaps one idea would be that if you are involved in a collision you have to take a retest. No collisions, no re-test; lots of collisions, lots of re-tests costing lots of ££££'s.

Oh, and an inability to drive at the speed limit when & where appropriate is a fail. So the motorists who are unable to maintain a reasonable speed causing queues and frustration leading to "rash" overtaking decisions are also deemed not fit to be in control of a vehicle.

The issues around what sort of vehicle is the "best" to have collision in is a bit cart before horse to me. How about 30+ tonnes of truck? Apparently they can stop in about a couple of car lengths at 60mph if what I regularly see on motorways is anything to go by. Not too sure how a 4x4 copes with that?

Many years ago one of the motorcycle magazines did a test with riders wearing a helmet ('cus it's the law) & swimming trunks. The idea was that the rider felt (and indeed was) much more vulnerable so they would alter their riding "style" accordingly.

I seem to remember it worked to a degree. The riders were much more "defensive" in their style but were not a huge degree slower overall.

Lots of factors, lots of choice, apparently no simple solutions.

Looking forward to more discussion.

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Old 18th January 2019, 19:21   #46
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I started the thread because the incident shows how delusional it is to assume driving a heavy 4x4 gives an advantage in any accident. As so many of you point out it entirely depends on the circumstances, the driver, and type of accident. Despite this I was initially impressed with the ability of the Kia to have such an effect. I also tried to imagine if the roles were reversed and a Land Rover ploughs into the side of a Kia.
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Old 18th January 2019, 20:23   #47
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To be fair just being a Land Rover doesn't make it a big heavy 4x4. In fact His nibs was driving a Freelander 2 which has a kerb weight of 1640kg a whole 40kg over that of a Rover 75 and is only 400mm taller than a Kia so considering the inertia of the Kia travelling at speed both cars are similarly matched. Looking at the pics of the Freelander after recovery it stood up rather well to being t-boned and the passenger cell is still in reasonably good shape as is the Kia's. Different story if it had been a proper full size 2.5 ton Range Rover - they'd probably be scraping the Kia off the doors like a squashed fly! I know which I'd rather be in
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Old 18th January 2019, 20:24   #48
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This is what I'm driving at the moment and luv it, why would anyone want anything different?

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Old 18th January 2019, 20:33   #49
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Regardless of what you think of the drivers, the Qashqai is an excellent car and probably about as British as our 75s!
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Old 18th January 2019, 20:47   #50
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Regardless of what you think of the drivers, the Qashqai is an excellent car and probably about as British as our 75s!
It's emissions isn't great despite it's Euro 6 rating, one that fudged the test results I believe?
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