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So called CBD oil isn't cannabis or at least not the psycho active part (which is THC). Whether it would detect as 'cannabis intoxication' on a blood test I couldn't say and wouldn't know. I'm highly suspicisious of all the claims being made for CBD oil (might as well say 'snake oil'). But if you try it and it works for you then why not, it's entirely legal. Quote:
Well Said, a much more convincing argument than some of the other less informed opinions being written on this thread.
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Unless you have tried it and not felt it it is not as 'blown out of proportion' like it is. If you smoke, like drink then don't drive!!! All effects are gone the next day like alcohol with normal judgement required to drive a car. Just because cannabis is in your system for a number of days after a smoke, why should you be banned? Its like a bloke having a night out on Monday and being banned for driving by Friday Another Feckless scheme!
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That's a problem "it just chills you out" happy relaxed nice fuzzy feeling? Not the ideal state of mind in a vehicle driver, "is that a red light or green, well don't worry its pretty" Drivers need to be alert and concentrated and I know there are good, bad and worse drivers on the road but cannabis use is not " sort of ok" Its another potential killer and should be treated much more severely. Chris S.
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As I said drink and drug driving is not acceptable before you take a car out, but marijuana clears your abilities like drinking alcohol when it is right to do so but just because it is in your blood system much longer has no comparison to you ability to drive on the same toll span as alcohol
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I have to echo Jays reply.
I refer to my post regarding the BBC report. The drivers didn't see pretty lights but on the whole drove more carefully on cannabis than off it. This has apparently been collaborated by further experiments. However I do not think someone under the influence should drive. My experience of being a passenger in regular users cars and vans the next day has been to see no concerns in their abilities. I. Have with work colleagues who I found out had been on coke the night before and took their keys off them and gave them a good ticking off. The description given by mileshawk56 is typically that shown in the media that does not represent the effects cannabis gives. I've watched many a tv show with cannabis users and they say these sensationalized representations are rubbish and show the effects of the hard drugs commonly in use. I don't do drugs even booze is a couple of times a year and then the odd glass so I cannot comment on personal experience but a few of those I have discussed it with have tried other drugs or been regular users of them in the past. These comments and those who only use and never used stronger drugs are those I have repeated here. Second hand info yes but that's what all research depends on with independent testing. For a long time cannabis use in this country has been demonized and I think the establishment has got locked into this. If today we were at the same place with alcohol I'm sure that would be illegal too and as it appears to be more dangerous than pot then under those rules should be, it's not it's socially acceptable to drink in moderation and for a lot of .people cool to binge on it and cost the nation millions sorting the problems created. If that's acceptable why isn't cannabis? |
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Seems simple enough. There many reports from authoritative investigations that cannabis is a gateway drug that initiates rather than satiates. Nothing ever starts with the end result.
Ignoring empirical evidence is at best naive. A quick google supports. In the case of alcohol you just drink more product more often and for longer. In the case of cannabis, social pressures combine to change product to serious mind altering poisons which leads to death. Or worse. To be honest, I thought that argument was well established.
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I have seen people on cocaine and Chrystal Meths, a far worse drug that does cause death (never heard of someone dying on grass) and is ten time lethal driving about on. I would support a ban on that but the people I know still do it and don't get caught even on that from where I can see, unless obvious.
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Planet Real Jay. Have a look at the first stop on a simple google search - it gives you a straight forward answer from a wholly reputable and valid source. www.drugrehab.com/guides/gateway-drugs
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OK, if it's pick and choose time, apart from the fact that the linked page is at pains (repeatedly) to make sure that it says 'Theory' and 'Hypothesis' about gateway drugs - (and it specifically calls alcohol a gateway drug btw.) It goes on to say (quite damningly for the gateway argument) "D.A.R.E. officials now admit that most people who smoke pot do not move on to harder drugs" To put it simply just because marijuana precedes hard drugs doesn't mean that marijuana causes hard drug usage. For instance let's look at one of the highlighted quotes on that page: "The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse found that teens who use gateway drugs are 266 times more likely to develop a cocaine addiction than those who do not." Does this mean that usage of so-called 'gateway drugs' cause cocaine addiction? No it doesn't it just means that a large number of cocaine users had a propensity for taking drugs, period. If it were true then it would be quoted as x% of gateway drug users will become cocaine addicts where x% is a large percentage > 50% - and this isn't so.
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