Really really useful (ICE) info

DeeCee · 6th December 2006, 16:58

Info on 4:3/ 16:9 BMW TV Tuner compatibility

http://www.xoutpost.com/143132-post7.html

Keith · 15th December 2006, 14:12

MP3 Changer and interface for Hi-Line Nav cars

Is your German any good?
http://www.acvgmbh.de/c-quence/
and
http://www.acvgmbh.de/c-quence/cd_mp...nce_einbau.pdf

Keith · 27th December 2006, 09:31

From XPF
"As far as I was aware - the following work fine on the High Line +Nav from Dension:

Ice Link Plus - ILPRBP8CR1 - IPOD only
Gateway 300 - GW3RBP8001 (any MP3 player)
Gateway 400 - GW4RBP8001 (any MP3 + keep your CD changer)

http://www.dension.com/main.htm"

The Gateway device looks very interesting especially if coupled to a USB HDD

Keith · 21st March 2007, 15:41

Just been looking for Glass mount FM aerials and got side tracked

like you do.

How about this for a non offset dual or single din adapter?
http://www.bluespot.co.uk/install/show_model.asp?id=225

Keith · 21st March 2007, 15:45

Some Dab info
http://www.mmsa.org.uk/guides/car_au...tal_radio.html

I did not realise a different aerial was required

Keith · 25th March 2007, 13:07

A reminder guys info threads are for you all to post titbits of info but not really suitable for subsequent discussion or related questions unless correcting a mistake otherwise the value of the thread may be lost

If something warrants a question please start a new thread and if appropriate link to the post here as part of that thread

Reebs · 28th March 2007, 20:31

There seems to be nothing on this forum regarding the TMC function of the Sat Nav (when I did a search), so I thought I'd share what I have researched regarding this very useful function.

1) What is TMC?

TMC or Traffic Message Channel is a system which allows realtime traffic data to be sent to the vehicle's Navigation system and enables the driver to see via on screen symbols and voice announcemets if there are any hold ups, accidents, closed roads, high-winds etc, and where applicable, offers alternative routes to avoid the problem.

2) Who operates the system, and how much does it cost?

In the UK, a company called "itis Holdings PLC", owns the licence and collates the data required to make the system work. The data is sent out via The Classic FM frequency(although it can't be heard), and as such can be received nationally throughout the country.

itis Holdings sell the licence to use the system to car manufacturers, and as a result there is no cost to the end user (ie) it is free.
Currently the following car makers have a licence to use the system: BMW, Ferrari, Ford, Land Rover, Lexus, Toyota, Mercedes, Mini, Subaru, Nissan, Porsche, Renault, Saab, Vauxhall, Volvo and Maserati.....NOT MG ROVER !!!!

3) How can I get TMC to work in my Rover 75 / ZT?

As you can see from the list, BMW can use the TMC functionality in their cars, and of course our Sat Nav systems are the same as those used in BMWs so by default we should all be able to have the system, however, in practice most owners only get the small black TMC letters at the foot of their screens and "function not available" in the menu. This is because in order to make the system active, the correct Map Disc has to be used which includes on it the extra TMC data codes to convert what the Sat Nav receives from Classic FM into symbols & voice announcements.

The official MG Rover Map CDs were originally supplied by "Navteq", and as Rover had not paid itis for the licence, all Navteq discs came WITHOUT the TMC codes on them. (Some discs would have the TMC logo on the front, but that just meant it would work in continental Europe, not here in the UK.

However, if you are prepared to splash out a little more you can get the TMC encoded Map CDs from a company called "VDO/Dayton". These discs have on them, all the codes needed to make the system work.

A Word Of Warning:

The Rover 75 / ZT was fitted with 2 types of Navigation Computer, the original unit known as a Mark 2 looks like this:

and I have found that when a TMC map disc was used in one of these, it caused the Sat Nav to crash frequently. This may be because the early units were produced from 1999 onwards, but itis's TMC system with BMW didn't come about until 2002, and so the the hardware may not have been compatable with their code data. (or perhaps this was just an isolated annomaly with the old mark 2 I was using - although it worked perfectly with a non TMC disc)

The other type of navigation computer, fitted from late 2001 onwards was the Mark 3

And this unit has no problems using TMC enabled discs.

4) So what do you get for your money and how does it look?

Once a TMC disc is inserted, the little TMC letters on the Hi-Line Sat Nav screen will turn from Black to Green. The system has to "borrow" the radio tuner and finds Classic FM automatically if you aren't using it at the time so you don't have to listen or even have it switched on. Otherwise the only radio station you can listen to if you want it to work is Classic (you can always use the CD player or Tape deck)

Once you have set a destination, the map screen will show any traffic incidents as symbols, with a large scale like this:

or if closer like this......and they appear in Red if they lie on your path of travel

When an incident is received, the voice announcement will say something along the lines of "Attention in 12 miles, stationary traffic", it will also show you the distance to the problem, how many miles the problem lasts for, and the distance remaining before your last opportunity to turn off to avoid it......

Also, where available, it will offer you a diversionary route to avoid the problem, just select the red "Diversion" option....

Black arrows appear along the route to show you the direction and length of the affected area.....

You can select from the menu, what items you want the TMC to alert you to, and which you would rather it ignore........

Finally, here is a list of the TMC symbols that you might encounter, and what they mean. (I haven't seen all of these myself though)

If I have forgotten anything, then appologies, but I hope this answers a few questions about TMC, and I wish my dealer could have told me a tenth of what I've had to find out for myself about it.

Bernard LPG · 29th March 2007, 19:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reebs

There seems to be nothing on this forum regarding the TMC function of the Sat Nav (when I did a search), so I thought I'd share what I have researched regarding this very useful function.
.

Useful info. I took some time to grasp what was happening when we took the car to Spain last year. I'd never seen the triangular caterpillar-like icons before. However we took advantage of the system to negiotiate a route around a congested part of the Madrid ring road. Amazingly it took us through the airport road system to come out on the other side of the hold-up!

What a system though, never referred to a map and it found hotels for us.

NOCTURNAL · 10th May 2007, 23:13

found this Pin-out Diagram whilst searching around yesterday and figured once it's passed scrutiny, It might be usefull for some....

Nick

Keith · 11th May 2007, 09:40

No good Nick, you have to be logged in to that forum, fancy another go

6th December 2006, 16:58	#1
DeeCee Regular poster none Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: none Posts: 93 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sat Nav BMW TV Tuner Info Info on 4:3/ 16:9 BMW TV Tuner compatibility http://www.xoutpost.com/143132-post7.html Last edited by Dragrad; 24th August 2014 at 22:22.. Reason: Link updated

15th December 2006, 14:12	#2
Keith This is my second home ZT400 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ellesmere Posts: 5,948 Thanks: 0 Thanked 43 Times in 29 Posts	MP3 Changer and interface for Hi-Line Nav cars MP3 Changer and interface for Hi-Line Nav cars Is your German any good? http://www.acvgmbh.de/c-quence/ and http://www.acvgmbh.de/c-quence/cd_mp...nce_einbau.pdf

27th December 2006, 09:31	#3
Keith This is my second home ZT400 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ellesmere Posts: 5,948 Thanks: 0 Thanked 43 Times in 29 Posts	Denison Products to replace the CD changer From XPF "As far as I was aware - the following work fine on the High Line +Nav from Dension: Ice Link Plus - ILPRBP8CR1 - IPOD only Gateway 300 - GW3RBP8001 (any MP3 player) Gateway 400 - GW4RBP8001 (any MP3 + keep your CD changer) http://www.dension.com/main.htm" The Gateway device looks very interesting especially if coupled to a USB HDD

21st March 2007, 15:45	#5
Keith This is my second home ZT400 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ellesmere Posts: 5,948 Thanks: 0 Thanked 43 Times in 29 Posts	Some Dab info Some Dab info http://www.mmsa.org.uk/guides/car_au...tal_radio.html I did not realise a different aerial was required

28th March 2007, 20:31	#7
Reebs Owners Club Director Rover 75 Conn SE V6 / MG ZT 260 SE V8 / MG ZT 180 SE V6 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Southampton Posts: 20,941 Thanks: 645 Thanked 6,851 Times in 2,537 Posts	Really really useful (ICE) info There seems to be nothing on this forum regarding the TMC function of the Sat Nav (when I did a search), so I thought I'd share what I have researched regarding this very useful function. 1) What is TMC? TMC or Traffic Message Channel is a system which allows realtime traffic data to be sent to the vehicle's Navigation system and enables the driver to see via on screen symbols and voice announcemets if there are any hold ups, accidents, closed roads, high-winds etc, and where applicable, offers alternative routes to avoid the problem. 2) Who operates the system, and how much does it cost? In the UK, a company called "itis Holdings PLC", owns the licence and collates the data required to make the system work. The data is sent out via The Classic FM frequency(although it can't be heard), and as such can be received nationally throughout the country. itis Holdings sell the licence to use the system to car manufacturers, and as a result there is no cost to the end user (ie) it is free. Currently the following car makers have a licence to use the system: BMW, Ferrari, Ford, Land Rover, Lexus, Toyota, Mercedes, Mini, Subaru, Nissan, Porsche, Renault, Saab, Vauxhall, Volvo and Maserati.....NOT MG ROVER !!!! 3) How can I get TMC to work in my Rover 75 / ZT? As you can see from the list, BMW can use the TMC functionality in their cars, and of course our Sat Nav systems are the same as those used in BMWs so by default we should all be able to have the system, however, in practice most owners only get the small black TMC letters at the foot of their screens and "function not available" in the menu. This is because in order to make the system active, the correct Map Disc has to be used which includes on it the extra TMC data codes to convert what the Sat Nav receives from Classic FM into symbols & voice announcements. The official MG Rover Map CDs were originally supplied by "Navteq", and as Rover had not paid itis for the licence, all Navteq discs came WITHOUT the TMC codes on them. (Some discs would have the TMC logo on the front, but that just meant it would work in continental Europe, not here in the UK. However, if you are prepared to splash out a little more you can get the TMC encoded Map CDs from a company called "VDO/Dayton". These discs have on them, all the codes needed to make the system work. A Word Of Warning: The Rover 75 / ZT was fitted with 2 types of Navigation Computer, the original unit known as a Mark 2 looks like this: and I have found that when a TMC map disc was used in one of these, it caused the Sat Nav to crash frequently. This may be because the early units were produced from 1999 onwards, but itis's TMC system with BMW didn't come about until 2002, and so the the hardware may not have been compatable with their code data. (or perhaps this was just an isolated annomaly with the old mark 2 I was using - although it worked perfectly with a non TMC disc) The other type of navigation computer, fitted from late 2001 onwards was the Mark 3 And this unit has no problems using TMC enabled discs. 4) So what do you get for your money and how does it look? Once a TMC disc is inserted, the little TMC letters on the Hi-Line Sat Nav screen will turn from Black to Green. The system has to "borrow" the radio tuner and finds Classic FM automatically if you aren't using it at the time so you don't have to listen or even have it switched on. Otherwise the only radio station you can listen to if you want it to work is Classic (you can always use the CD player or Tape deck) Once you have set a destination, the map screen will show any traffic incidents as symbols, with a large scale like this: or if closer like this......and they appear in Red if they lie on your path of travel When an incident is received, the voice announcement will say something along the lines of "Attention in 12 miles, stationary traffic", it will also show you the distance to the problem, how many miles the problem lasts for, and the distance remaining before your last opportunity to turn off to avoid it...... Also, where available, it will offer you a diversionary route to avoid the problem, just select the red "Diversion" option.... Black arrows appear along the route to show you the direction and length of the affected area..... You can select from the menu, what items you want the TMC to alert you to, and which you would rather it ignore........ Finally, here is a list of the TMC symbols that you might encounter, and what they mean. (I haven't seen all of these myself though) If I have forgotten anything, then appologies, but I hope this answers a few questions about TMC, and I wish my dealer could have told me a tenth of what I've had to find out for myself about it.

21st March 2007, 15:41	#4
Keith This is my second home ZT400 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ellesmere Posts: 5,948 Thanks: 0 Thanked 43 Times in 29 Posts	Just been looking for Glass mount FM aerials and got side tracked like you do. How about this for a non offset dual or single din adapter? http://www.bluespot.co.uk/install/show_model.asp?id=225

25th March 2007, 13:07	#6
Keith This is my second home ZT400 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ellesmere Posts: 5,948 Thanks: 0 Thanked 43 Times in 29 Posts	A reminder guys info threads are for you all to post titbits of info but not really suitable for subsequent discussion or related questions unless correcting a mistake otherwise the value of the thread may be lost If something warrants a question please start a new thread and if appropriate link to the post here as part of that thread

10th May 2007, 23:13	#9
NOCTURNAL Gets stuck in MG ZT-260SE Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Norwich Posts: 645 Thanks: 17 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts	found this Pin-out Diagram whilst searching around yesterday and figured once it's passed scrutiny, It might be usefull for some.... Nick Last edited by NOCTURNAL; 11th May 2007 at 13:38.. Reason: Hmmmm image present in preview but not in post???

11th May 2007, 09:40	#10
Keith This is my second home ZT400 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ellesmere Posts: 5,948 Thanks: 0 Thanked 43 Times in 29 Posts	No good Nick, you have to be logged in to that forum, fancy another go