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24th May 2020, 15:06 | #21 | |
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At what point does the "treatment" become much more destructive than the disease?? And if you believe the purported infection rates that were modelled by certain epidemiologists, then the entire world population has already been exposed to this virus several times over. I'm sorry, but I simply do not believe the price we are currently being asked to pay is either proportional to the risk, nor conducive to the health of the general population as a whole, when you factor in other considerations than simply the control of covid-19. And to what end I wonder, this is quite likely never to have an effective vaccine produced, and the current restrictions are based upon one being sought before life can return to some sort of normality. There are far greater things in life to be worried about, and I for one do not accept the doom mongers predictions of total world devastation at the hand of this virus. The sooner the nettle is grasped, and the population of the world wake up to the fact they are being had, the better we will be equipped to deal with living with covid, as I expect we will be doing for the foreseeable future. In summing up, there is no "After Covid19", simply making the best fist of it, before it becomes the worst man made catastrophe of recent times. Brian |
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I certainly don't think we will be rid of it, but I do hope that they come up with a vaccine, and yes, there are many variations.
I volunteered for vaccine research but they finally decided I live beyond the boundary of their area. I also realize that there are many other things that are a health threat, as we are witness to at Heathrow with the constant arrival of other dodgy illnesses, which there are many precautions in place to deal with. I still think that one should be very wary of the transmission of this virus. Luckily for me I have not witnessed it directly, but am aware of areas where there have been several losses within a small group. I am also convinced that the restriction and precautions are like a valve, and that there will be further resurgences, at a rate that those involved can cope with. |
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To anyone thinking about having an adventure off the normal tourist path, I would say go for it. We've never had a bad moment in all our backpacking trips, you just need to act sensibly and take local advice. The gov uk travel advice is often over cautious. We all need to focus in on having good times in the future, to see us through the current situation. |
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Until a free and effective vaccine is found for Covid-19, its going to be the same for the world over, having to live with it. I wonder what giving the all clear means? |
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25th May 2020, 07:48 | #26 | |
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I wonder if those that have spent time in hospital or their families and friends or the families and friends of those that have died would agree with you. macafee2 |
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25th May 2020, 10:56 | #27 | |
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We can all hope we either don't get this terrible virus or if we do we get it in a mild form but the odds are not good. Put it like this if they are a 100 Smarties on a table and you know one is full of arsenic would you have one? Even if it was a 2000 Smarties personally I would not be going near any of them , as of today one in 1833 of the UK population has died from this. Yes a lot of them are older and/or with pre existing health problems but my wife's friend is 50 years old as fit as a fiddle, does not smoke and has no health problems. |
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25th May 2020, 13:45 | #28 | |
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I can hand on heart say I have had colds with worse symptoms, for me they consisted of a sore throat for a couple of days, and a running nose similar to hayfever, and the worst symptom my wife has experienced is the loss of taste and smell which is returning slowly. I am taking part in a study into the use of plasma derived from recovered Covid positive patients on Wednesday of this week, where I donate a pint of blood, and a sample of blood is sent for antibody testing, with a view to it being used in the treatment of people that are experiencing adverse reactions to the virus. Both myself and my wife are in our early fifties, and apart from mild hypertension in the case of my wife, and myself being somewhat overweight no preexisting conditions. Neither smoke, drink in moderation, and in terms of exercise walking the dog is about as strenuous as it gets. The infectious diseases nurse who took the original test, was very reassuring that 98% of people infected are either asymptomatic or display only mild symptoms, and of the other 2% who have an adverse reaction to the virus, 80% go on to make a full recovery. Of course anyone who has lost a loved one, or is badly affected by this is going to have a different perspective, but in light of that, I'm going to give you another statistic......... Cancer diagnosis has currently dropped to 3% of pre lockdown numbers, so does than mean there has been a 97% drop in actual cases. Of course the answer is no, so how do you explain to the family of the person who ends up with stage 4 cancer that if they had been treated earlier they would have gone on to make a full recovery?? This is exactly the scenario we're facing, my wife is in the front line, more so now that they have temporarily recommissioned her ward as an area for the care of Covid-19 positive patients. I'm not being flippant about this, if people genuinely feel that they would like to resume life in some form or another, accepting that they are taking a risk, whether real or perceived, then that should be their choice and not that of the state. Conversely if a person feels themselves to be genuinely at risk, or are for valid medical reasons known to be at risk, then they shouldn't be forced to participate in anything that exacerbates that risk. Now there you have it from the perspective of someone who has been infected with Covid-19 and has lived to tell the tale Brian |
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25th May 2020, 19:44 | #30 |
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Not so much a case of being forced to do take part in something which exacerbates the risk, some (most) folks may have no choice. As one of those who is classed as extremely vulnerable I have been under house arrest for 8 weeks now with another 4 to go. Thankfully retired so no work to worry about, even if I was I know that my former employer would instruct me to stay at home and keep me on full pay. However sooner or later I would have been expected to return, now that would be interesting.
My wife's cancer treatment has been affected, sooner or later she will have to go back to hospital to continue her treatment and we will both have to venture back into the wider world. Those not affected too much will be fine; those of use who may become seriously affected will have some difficult decisions to make. Maybe even life threatening ones. One thing for certain there will be a new normal. |
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