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Old 26th November 2021, 17:22   #51
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......... The western allies tried to bring normality to some of these places .............

I think you have answered you own point!

I also think you need to do some reading up on Syria and Yemen. The latter is still bombed on a weekly basis by a coalition led by Saudi Arabia using weapons purchased from and maintained by the US and UK.

The only form of stability in many Arab and African countries is for a continuous low-level of infighting between tribes and/or dictatorship. Trying to bring Western normality disturbs the equilibrium leading to destabilisation and major wars. Surely, we have learnt this in Afghanistan?

I personally don't have a problem with wars. But, careful planning is needed in terms of who to choose as the enemy at what point in time and the desired outcome.
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Old 26th November 2021, 17:26   #52
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So, the end justifies the means?
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Old 26th November 2021, 17:36   #53
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One of the attractions might just be the attitude to women, particularly girls. I imagine, in my admitted naivety, that fathers all over the world might be as protective of their children as we are.

To whit: one of our MP's is currently presenting a bill for a new law to make illegal a particularly intrusive medical examination of young girls about to marry. Some of them very young.

I'm told the bill has only to go through the Lord's to be on the statute book. No need to go into details I'm sure, but such invasive treatment is horrific and is, as I understand it, endemic in certain areas of the country. Why else would the children be in those boats?
Don't miss the point on this one. The reason for the need of a Bill to criminalise FGM and not for previouse generations is because it is now very prevalent in the UK.

However, circumcision is not. Go figure!

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Old 26th November 2021, 17:40   #54
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Ian - I think you need to edit your post as some comments made by others are appearing to be attributed to Simondi.
if it was post 31 I have updated it.
Simondi if I attributed something incorrectly to you, my apologies, genuine error. Very sorry if I have embarrassed you.

if it was not 31, please tell me which post

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Old 26th November 2021, 18:24   #55
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One of the attractions might just be the attitude to women, particularly girls. I imagine, in my admitted naivety, that fathers all over the world might be as protective of their children as we are.

To whit: one of our MP's is currently presenting a bill for a new law to make illegal a particularly intrusive medical examination of young girls about to marry. Some of them very young.

I'm told the bill has only to go through the Lord's to be on the statute book. No need to go into details I'm sure, but such invasive treatment is horrific and is, as I understand it, endemic in certain areas of the country. Why else would the children be in those boats?
A `religion` that allows dirty old men to marry girls of ten and under isn't anything I want to recognise as normal or `part of a culture` it's paedophilia and nothing less, here in Wigan there are already gangs of Afghan `refugees` harassing young girls, this is not how I want things to be, afraid for my daughters and granddaughters.
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Old 26th November 2021, 21:58   #56
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There have been a number of such incidents if one read's the court papers but the punishment is very lenient. I have to admit, though, in Eritriea and Somalia (the two regions where the perpetrators I read about) came from it is considered to be the female who is at fault. However, commit rape in either of those countries. as a foreigner, as see what sanction you would get.

We have enough naughty native people and don't need to import more.

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Exactly what proportion of immigrants commit rape, either here or in their own country? The later point about FGM is valid, and that is a shocking issue, but to suggest that immigrants come here for consequence-free rape opportunities is absurd. And it's irrelevant to compare how those countries would treat a foreigner who commits rape - it's the people from those countries we're talking about, not what might happen to a westerner!
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Exactly what proportion of immigrants commit rape, either here or in their own country? The later point about FGM is valid, and that is a shocking issue, but to suggest that immigrants come here for consequence-free rape opportunities is absurd. And it's irrelevant to compare how those countries would treat a foreigner who commits rape - it's the people from those countries we're talking about, not what might happen to a westerner!
IF you read the papers or listen to the news you will note that when these crimes are committed they now say a"Male" person or a "Person" has been charged with Rape etc, It is only later in to the arrest that they will identify the race and origins of the perpetrator. Why is this??? it is to stop the public being told what they already know, That the rape and paedophilia that is going on has increased ten fold since the influx of these Illegals entered the country.
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Old 27th November 2021, 07:29   #58
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if it was post 31 I have updated it.
Simondi if I attributed something incorrectly to you, my apologies, genuine error. Very sorry if I have embarrassed you.

if it was not 31, please tell me which post

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Old 27th November 2021, 08:03   #59
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The criminals ought to be arrested and dealt with in accordance to our laws.
Fortunately I have not witnessed hoards of migrant gangs rampaging through the streets but even if I had it still would not mean that every human being that is fleeing to our wonderful country is a criminal.

I don't like referring to a human being as being an illegal. It diminishes them as a person thereby dehumanising them and making it easier to ignore their plight. No human is illegal, but their actions can be.

I realise that my views and opinions will be distasteful to some, however that's life. We all have different views and opinions.
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IF you read the papers or listen to the news you will note that when these crimes are committed they now say a"Male" person or a "Person" has been charged with Rape etc, It is only later in to the arrest that they will identify the race and origins of the perpetrator. Why is this??? it is to stop the public being told what they already know, That the rape and paedophilia that is going on has increased ten fold since the influx of these Illegals entered the country.
Take the politicians to task, who said that they would take back control of our borders. They clearly have not. Our police should deal with sorting out the criminals, unfortunately they don’t seem fit for purpose. I’m afraid our country is in a mess. How we proceed to getting it sorted is difficult to imagine. As we now are a third country in relation to the EU, a country that is battling away with the block on many fronts, we cannot expect much in the way of help from them sorting out this migrant problem. The UK has a problem.
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