Pure wax? - Page 2

Pete · 28th May 2007, 17:48

I have some Simonize yellow tin and use it regularly. It's harder work than the liquids but it's still lovely stuff. I've experimented with floating the tin in hot water to soften it up a bit but it didn't really make a huge amount of difference. The sheer hardness of the finish is perfect for protecting the paint though.

T-Cut · 28th May 2007, 17:51

Yes you can buy Carnauba Wax polish on eBay. This is simply carnauba wax dissolved/suspended in solvent (basically white spirit or odourless kerosene). The price is around a tenner for a 400ml bottle. No colourants, no abrasives and no water. Good results too. Here's an examplehttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CARNAUBA-WAX-C...QQcmdZViewItem

pondweed · 28th May 2007, 19:13

and if you want the paste (I dont think it's GSXR specific....)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CARNAUBA-GOLD-...QQcmdZViewItem

Gryphon · 28th May 2007, 19:15

Now i am lost Both the P216S and the Canuba on ebay as suggested by T-Cut sound very good so which do i go for

Any more input by people who have used either or both would be nice

Gryphon · 28th May 2007, 19:18

Thanks Pondweed another spanner in the works

Dave***t · 28th May 2007, 19:43

It's not quite as simple as looking for carnauba wax as an ingredient. There are different kinds of carnauba wax, and even the Zymol stuff that's thousands of pounds for a tub still isn't pure (it's 70 something percent white carnauba IIRC).

P21S is very much a tried and tested wax and I'd suggest giving it a go first as a benchmark. Of all the things said about it, most comments vary between 'yeah good stuff' and 'the best you'll find anywhere for the price', so you won't go far wrong. Like I said, I've tried it and it brought up a lovely finish.

Ross R75 · 28th May 2007, 21:09

As they say, a picture paints a thousand words.

P21S brought my black Ibiza TDi 130 up better than new:

My Arctic Grey Leon looked none too shabby with P21S either:

My last Leon got the P21S treatment too:

T-Cut · 28th May 2007, 21:48

Reading the various descriptions for these polishes, there are fairly clear reasons for the price differences and as expected, they relate to the actual wax contents. The liquid versions (eg. Jofs) contain something like 40-50% carnauba wax. Carnauba wax is only soluble completely in hot spirit, so it clouds out and gets thicker on cooling. Jofs contains as much wax as will retain the liquid form. This liquid is actually a suspension of carnauba wax particles in saturated wax solution (in a spirit solvent).
The 'paste' type carnauba polishes like Carnauba Gold, contain a higher level of wax, which on cooling, tends to create a semi-solid rather than a liquid. Effectively you get more wax per dollop, but it may cost more.
The P21s formula is even more expensive in that it includes beeswax. I think beeswax is even more expensive than carnauba and has been used as a polish for far longer than carnauba. It's also softer than carnauba, so gives the polish a 'glide' when buffing. It will also 'mix' with the carnauba film to plasticise it a little. That makes it more tolerant to mechanical wear and tear. Beeswax is the 'King of Waxes' and has superb physical properties. It's used in many different ways (eg. It used to be in Brylcreme (!) and is used in making telescope mirrors!) Anything containing beeswax, whether it be car polish or hair cream, will be top whack quality (and price).
Both carnauba and beeswax are produced in 'yellow' and 'white' varieties. The only difference is the colour. For polishes, either will do, but white ingredients look better to consumers, so will be used where cost is acceptable.

TC

Gryphon · 28th May 2007, 21:55

Thanks for all reply's P21S and Carlack-68 will be ordered in the morning

Simon · 28th May 2007, 22:02

Having never tried any of these "pure" waxes before I am intrigued by this thread.

So far my current wax/polish collection has culminated in using Turtle Wax Platinum Series wax and Top Coat Wax Sealant. I must admit I am impressed with the results this combination has achieved. I will though be looking into a some of this P21S stuff when the Turtle Wax runs out.

As a slight side-topic (and not wanting to take this thread too far off topic) what would you users of these pure waxes recommend as a polishing coat before the wax application? Also, do you use a top-coat on top of the wax?

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Dave*t Gets stuck in MG ZT+ 180 SE** Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Birmingham Posts: 646 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	It's not quite as simple as looking for carnauba wax as an ingredient. There are different kinds of carnauba wax, and even the Zymol stuff that's thousands of pounds for a tub still isn't pure (it's 70 something percent white carnauba IIRC). P21S is very much a tried and tested wax and I'd suggest giving it a go first as a benchmark. Of all the things said about it, most comments vary between 'yeah good stuff' and 'the best you'll find anywhere for the price', so you won't go far wrong. Like I said, I've tried it and it brought up a lovely finish. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

28th May 2007, 21:09	#17
Ross R75 Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 137 Thanked 229 Times in 156 Posts	As they say, a picture paints a thousand words. P21S brought my black Ibiza TDi 130 up better than new: My Arctic Grey Leon looked none too shabby with P21S either: My last Leon got the P21S treatment too: __________________ Copperleaf R75 CDT 160 Last edited by Ross R75; 28th May 2007 at 21:13..

28th May 2007, 21:48	#18
T-Cut This is my second home Rover75 and Mreg Corsa. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sumweer onat mote o'dust (Sagin) Posts: 21,753 Thanks: 341 Thanked 3,660 Times in 2,924 Posts	Reading the various descriptions for these polishes, there are fairly clear reasons for the price differences and as expected, they relate to the actual wax contents. The liquid versions (eg. Jofs) contain something like 40-50% carnauba wax. Carnauba wax is only soluble completely in hot spirit, so it clouds out and gets thicker on cooling. Jofs contains as much wax as will retain the liquid form. This liquid is actually a suspension of carnauba wax particles in saturated wax solution (in a spirit solvent). The 'paste' type carnauba polishes like Carnauba Gold, contain a higher level of wax, which on cooling, tends to create a semi-solid rather than a liquid. Effectively you get more wax per dollop, but it may cost more. The P21s formula is even more expensive in that it includes beeswax. I think beeswax is even more expensive than carnauba and has been used as a polish for far longer than carnauba. It's also softer than carnauba, so gives the polish a 'glide' when buffing. It will also 'mix' with the carnauba film to plasticise it a little. That makes it more tolerant to mechanical wear and tear. Beeswax is the 'King of Waxes' and has superb physical properties. It's used in many different ways (eg. It used to be in Brylcreme (!) and is used in making telescope mirrors!) Anything containing beeswax, whether it be car polish or hair cream, will be top whack quality (and price). Both carnauba and beeswax are produced in 'yellow' and 'white' varieties. The only difference is the colour. For polishes, either will do, but white ingredients look better to consumers, so will be used where cost is acceptable. TC Last edited by T-Cut; 28th May 2007 at 21:51..

28th May 2007, 17:51	#12
T-Cut This is my second home Rover75 and Mreg Corsa. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sumweer onat mote o'dust (Sagin) Posts: 21,753 Thanks: 341 Thanked 3,660 Times in 2,924 Posts	Yes you can buy Carnauba Wax polish on eBay. This is simply carnauba wax dissolved/suspended in solvent (basically white spirit or odourless kerosene). The price is around a tenner for a 400ml bottle. No colourants, no abrasives and no water. Good results too. Here's an examplehttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CARNAUBA-WAX-C...QQcmdZViewItem

28th May 2007, 19:13	#13
pondweed This is my second home Waiter, Waiter! I seem to have a Roomster in my drive... Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sussex Posts: 3,268 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	and if you want the paste (I dont think it's GSXR specific....) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CARNAUBA-GOLD-...QQcmdZViewItem

28th May 2007, 19:15	#14
Gryphon Passed Away 75 CDT Connoisseur + VW Trike + Kawasaki 1000LTD Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Summer wine country Posts: 885 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Now i am lost Both the P216S and the Canuba on ebay as suggested by T-Cut sound very good so which do i go for Any more input by people who have used either or both would be nice

28th May 2007, 19:18	#15
Gryphon Passed Away 75 CDT Connoisseur + VW Trike + Kawasaki 1000LTD Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Summer wine country Posts: 885 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Pondweed another spanner in the works

28th May 2007, 21:55	#19
Gryphon Passed Away 75 CDT Connoisseur + VW Trike + Kawasaki 1000LTD Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Summer wine country Posts: 885 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for all reply's P21S and Carlack-68 will be ordered in the morning

28th May 2007, 22:02	#20
Simon Banned - Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: - Posts: 10,318 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Having never tried any of these "pure" waxes before I am intrigued by this thread. So far my current wax/polish collection has culminated in using Turtle Wax Platinum Series wax and Top Coat Wax Sealant. I must admit I am impressed with the results this combination has achieved. I will though be looking into a some of this P21S stuff when the Turtle Wax runs out. As a slight side-topic (and not wanting to take this thread too far off topic) what would you users of these pure waxes recommend as a polishing coat before the wax application? Also, do you use a top-coat on top of the wax?