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Old 10th January 2018, 17:43   #41
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My two pence which seems to reflect the general tone - the 1.8T is a light, fast and easy to work on motor. Parts are cheap. The most expensive repair for the average car is a head gasket which isn't all that bad.

The V6 is a smooth cruiser - it's no slouch but it isn't a car I'd be running to if I wanted to make a speed demon on a budget. Belts can be a little pricey if you're paying someone to do them for you.

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Is that a k series engine?
I think I assumed it was either the old 2.0L turbo motor or an audi / vw 1.8 turbo swap?
Not sure anyone responded to you - it's a 1.8K Turbo.
It is so very far from a standard engine. It may technically be a 1.9k now.
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Old 10th January 2018, 21:57   #42
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Well it's looking like i am getting a zt 190.
How much is a remap on one of those ? And what is the total hp likely to be?

I know I don't expect it to be much.. Being a non turbo engine.

I have heard of people fitting 190 exhaust cams to the inlet side? Or is it the other way around?
The ECU (in standard form anyway) can't be remapped - internal components need to be changed.

When I had my 190 tuned and mapped we used an SMT6 piggy-back ECU.

As I found out after I bought all the bits, there's really no point in touching the cams in the 190. We did end up fitting the Piper 270 cams and pulleys - but it's not something I would do again, think they might make maybe 2hp difference if that on the 190 engine. Don't think they're available anymore, anyway.

One of the most important thing to get power gains on the V6 is getting it to breathe better, too. Less restrictive exhaust manifolds, better air intake system and proper port polishing etc.

Then add on some Bosch EV14 or EV6 750cc injectors (make sure they're 12ohm!) to give you more fuel to go with the better air flow... bigger bang=more power

But on the KV6 it all costs... big.

In total, having the engine rebuilt, new exhaust manifolds, SMT ECU. cams, mapping, injectors, porting/polishing cost me nearly 3k - and the bottom line afterwards? 219bhp.

If you spend that on a 1.8t you'll easily see 270+ maybe even 300bhp.

Oh, and did I mention fuel "economy"? The V6 has never been super economical, but after all the tweaks even driving on a long journey now at steady speed I'm getting around 26-28mpg. Before the tuning it was 32-35 on a comparative journey.

It does sound £%*&ing lovely at full chat when the exhaust flaps open up, though
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Old 11th January 2018, 13:05   #43
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The ECU (in standard form anyway) can't be remapped - internal components need to be changed.

When I had my 190 tuned and mapped we used an SMT6 piggy-back ECU.
The KV6 EMS 2000 ECU can be remapped. It's just not a particularly friendly ECU to work with/learn which is why I guess most tuning places never bothered to learn how to do it.
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Old 11th January 2018, 19:40   #44
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The kv6 can definitely be remapped, my old yellow V6 160 and my current 190 both had a reidy remap installed by tom force.
Obviously not as much an increased in power and torque as a turbo engine would get, but absolutely transformed both cars!
The 160 was faster than a standard 190, and the 190 is faster still with the new map! The best part of the remap though is the increase in torque low down, and the way it just has instant pull all through the rev range. It's also added approx 5-6mpg which isn't to be sniffed at on a V6!
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Old 11th January 2018, 19:46   #45
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Well it's looking like i am getting a zt 190.
How much is a remap on one of those ? And what is the total hp likely to be?

I know I don't expect it to be much.. Being a non turbo engine.

I have heard of people fitting 190 exhaust cams to the inlet side? Or is it the other way around?
Average remap price seeks to be around £150-180, I've not had mine dynoed yet but people who have had they're cars dynoed before and after seem to get around 200-205hp with a nice extra amount of torque.
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Old 11th January 2018, 21:58   #46
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Well, technology does move on. It was nearly 9 years ago!

If they can be mapped now, I may see about removing the SMT and getting the original done. It needs to go back on the dyno anyway - it's definitely not as 'tight' as it was then
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Old 11th January 2018, 23:15   #47
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Well, technology does move on. It was nearly 9 years ago!

If they can be mapped now, I may see about removing the SMT and getting the original done. It needs to go back on the dyno anyway - it's definitely not as 'tight' as it was then
Tom force is in Hereford and he is definitely someone to see about mapping a zt/75! You can get hold of him on Facebook.
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Average remap price seeks to be around £150-180, I've not had mine dynoed yet but people who have had they're cars dynoed before and after seem to get around 200-205hp with a nice extra amount of torque.
Is that a custom/live map? Or an off the shelf one?

Do you still get the kick above 3k?

Just wondering if the remap affects the operation of the vis valves?

I'm sure I remember someone saying there chipped 190 gave more power but delivery was different. As if there was no 3k kick anymore?
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Tom force is in Hereford and he is definitely someone to see about mapping a zt/75! You can get hold of him on Facebook.
Link? Is he a member on here?
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Well it's looking like i am getting a zt 190.
How much is a remap on one of those ? And what is the total hp likely to be?

I know I don't expect it to be much.. Being a non turbo engine.

I have heard of people fitting 190 exhaust cams to the inlet side? Or is it the other way around?
All my remaps are £150 , that includes a dyno session (If in Manchester location) for both before and after results as well as diagnostics and other checks

Around 10Hp at peak wouldn't be unheard of but the KV6 seems to hit an affordable power barrier around 210Hp.

Main improvements on a NA petrol engine come in the form of smoothing out the torque and increasing engine response. Which are often done by the OEM to make it easier to drive for the 'everyman'
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