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Old 23rd January 2017, 19:18   #11
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I know its out of context Colvert but it did make me laugh
You are most welcome.---

I know there are folk on the forum who enjoy harassment etc.

If it's possible at all I really like to add a bit of humour if I can to some of the posts I make, in order to help folk out of the pit of depression they sometimes get in.

Dartmoor prison. Terrible place to work and dangerous too.

We were working to give hot and cold running water in all the cells. Central heating and a toilet pan.

TV and radio points too.
Previously all there was in all of the cells was a bucket for you know what.

Digging trenches outside for services we had to have steel roofing erected above us to avoid the knives and sharp objects that were thrown at us.
Even socks filled with excrement-------and all we were was trying to greatly improve their living conditions.


PS Sorry Mr OP. I went just a little off thread there.--Back on topic now. Lol.

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Old 23rd January 2017, 19:23   #12
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When I say vertical/horizontal I meant in relation to the diagram from a birds eye perspective. As in, going from the longest sides of the diagram to the other long side is horizontal.



Quite a resume there fella.
So from a quick squint you're thinking it's gonna need an RSJ?
From the information up to now--------YES.

But I add, the joist directions need to be checked for sure.
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Old 23rd January 2017, 19:27   #13
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From the information up to now--------YES.

But I add, the joist directions need to be checked for sure.
Okie pokie - thank you for your input.
I'll pull up the floors and have a look at the weekend.

Would you say it's normal of a late 80's house to have brick walls throughout on the ground floor?
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Old 23rd January 2017, 19:41   #14
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Mr PB666 Sir.

Precis of my career.
In charge of construction of---------

1/ More than 250 houses.

2/ Shopping centers.

3/ County mansion for the Duke of Somerset.

4/ Blocks of flats just about everywhere.

5/ 3 years in Dartmoor prison on the internal engineering construction of several cell blocks.

6/ Roads and supporting structures as per the Tamar bridge.

7/ Four large retail outlets in the middle of Plymouth.



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So, do we take it that you know something about architecture and construcion?

Not bad for a chap who also understands batteries and alternators.

My guess would be that the joists run across the internal walls which are therefore supporting the floors above. So, agreed, a check on the direction of the joists is needed. Even then, I would always get an architect's opinion.
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Okie pokie - thank you for your input.
I'll pull up the floors and have a look at the weekend.

Would you say it's normal of a late 80's house to have brick walls throughout on the ground floor?
A good quality house will have.

Sometimes however a load bearing lightweight block is used.

This is for insulation and sound deadening.


All of the houses in the pic below, up to a total of 40 were in a contract I ran at Newton Abbott, Devon in the 80 s.

At that time they were selling for £90,000 to £150,000 which was a fair amount though they were all 5 bedroom places.


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So, do we take it that you know something about architecture and construction?

Not bad for a chap who also understands batteries and alternators.

My guess would be that the joists run across the internal walls which are therefore supporting the floors above. So, agreed, a check on the direction of the joists is needed. Even then, I would always get an architect's opinion.
Know something ????---

Unfortunately yes.

I've done some re-furb of some very old houses with odd shaped walls and roofs.

Twice I've had the visiting Architect remove my working sketches from the office wall only to arrive a day or two later with OFFICIAL architects drawings of what I'd already constructed. Lol.

I could write a book about the goings on I've been involved in during my working life.

When I look back I can't even believe that I managed to fit in all the things I've been involved with.
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When I wanted to knock my loo and bathroom into one I spoke to a friend who was a structural engineer.

He came round looked at the wall - breeze block construction - and ripped some skirting off. The wall was running parallel to the roof rafters but in between them and was build on a piece of 4 x 2 timber laid on top of the floor boards.

He had no hesitation in saying it could go.

It's a 1930's house.
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Okie pokie - thank you for your input.
I'll pull up the floors and have a look at the weekend.

Would you say it's normal of a late 80's house to have brick walls throughout on the ground floor?
I am not a builder but the wall you want to remove, does it help support the internal wall on the right that has doors?
The joists upstairs, do they run parallel to the wall you want to remove or at right angles to it? if at right angles then they may rest on the wall you want to remove. Is there an upstairs wall sitting on top of the wall you want to remove?
I can only ask questions, don't know enough to make a recommendation

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Don't forget any structural changes RSJ's etc should be approved under Building Control. Also if there use to be a wall in the identical position on the first floor you could suffer from a lack of rigidity so tying in via an RSJ or pin will help reduce the chance of wall bow, though the plan looks like the house is quite small structurally.
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I am not a builder but the wall you want to remove, does it help support the internal wall on the right that has doors?
The joists upstairs, do they run parallel to the wall you want to remove or at right angles to it? if at right angles then they may rest on the wall you want to remove. Is there an upstairs wall sitting on top of the wall you want to remove?
I can only ask questions, don't know enough to make a recommendation

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I'm going to confirm the joist positioning this weekend but it seems like they run parallel to the wall I want to remove. If that's the case, I'd presume that the wall with the doors is load bearing.

There's no wall upstairs sitting on it either.

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Don't forget any structural changes RSJ's etc should be approved under Building Control. Also if there use to be a wall in the identical position on the first floor you could suffer from a lack of rigidity so tying in via an RSJ or pin will help reduce the chance of wall bow, though the plan looks like the house is quite small structurally.
I'd 100% do it the right way should the wall turn out to be key to the integrity of the building. The guy who came to look at the job just simply tapped the wall, realised it was brick and kinda defaulted to saying RSJ and usual about the engineer and getting the council to verify it's all good. I was kinda expecting more of a tap on the wall to determine hehe.

In terms of size, if I knock that wall out, the length of the kitchen diner should be around 5m long so at a stab I'd say the full length of the house is maybe 8.5m/9m in total. It's detached if that makes any difference.
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