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Who is protected from liability Article 5(3) of Directive 2001/83 requires that Member States lay down provisions so that marketing authorisation holders, manufacturers and health professionals are not subject to civil or administrative liability for any consequences resulting from the use of an unauthorised medicinal product, or from the use of a product otherwise than in accordance with its authorisation, when such use is by the licensing authority in response to (among other things) the spread of pathogens. This requirement is implemented into UK law by regulation 345. What regulation 345 does, therefore, is transpose into UK law a requirement of EU law that key actors in the medicines supply chain cannot generally be sued in the civil courts for the consequences resulting from the use of an unlicensed product, or a new use of a licensed product, that a national licensing authority is recommending in order to deal with certain specific health threats. Emphasis mine!
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"If" a vaccine becomes available next year as widely predicted it won't have undergone the usual long term testing to ensure it is safe.I wonder what the implications will be for refusing a vaccination.Perhaps the withholding of your Covid pass that Russ mentioned earlier.
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Thanks but no thanks!
I suggest that anyone who feels like receiving a shot, line up and get it. Then leave the rest of us to do what we feel best. After all, you will be protected by your vaccine!
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The testing fiasco continues, I was told last night by a friend that yesterday their sisters youngest was sent home from school along with his elder brother because he had coughed 3 times.
Told that they wouldn't be allowed to return to the school until they had test done and were shown to be negative. So their Mum immediately booked a test at the nearest available centre, Preston over 40 miles away. When they arrived they were in a queue for about an hour they were turned away because the generator had packed up. She found out it wasn't for the computers to keep the records up to date, oh no ,it was because that their comfort facilities weren't working So a wasted trip of 80 odd miles and the best part of 3 hours wasted just because the staff at the testing facility couldn't make a cup of tea! Absolutely ridiculous. Russ
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Well lucky for everyone that there are 'lots of medics' that work in the NHS that base the treatment they give on the patients needs and not some holier than thou judgement on the patient's life choices. There's very little space for the 'medics' you describe in the NHS.
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For those who are anti vaccine....
This blokes work sheds a bit of light on the efficacy of vaccines. (I nicked it off wikipedia - not ashamed to do so) Maurice Ralph Hilleman (August 30, 1919 – April 11, 2005) was an American microbiologist who specialized in vaccinology and developed over 40 vaccines, an unparalleled record of productivity.[2][3] Of the 14 vaccines routinely recommended in current vaccine schedules, he developed eight: those for measles, mumps, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, chickenpox, meningitis, pneumonia and Haemophilus influenzae bacteria.[2] He also played a role in the discovery of the cold-producing adenoviruses, the hepatitis viruses, and the potentially cancer-causing[4] virus SV40. Hilleman is credited with saving more lives than any other medical scientist of the 20th century.[5][6][7] Robert Gallo described him as "the most successful vaccinologist in history".[5] That'll do for me thanks. Jab every time when necessary |
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Each to his own and so be it. As to refusing treatment for a voluntary untested and unqualified hopeful antidote in the face of widespread antipathy, should we now let smokers die in agony with the cancer treatment withheld (that which they would have had if it were not for Covid)?
Should we withdraw treatment for alcoholics who are suffering a variety of related ailments after a lifetime of substance abuse? Should we legalise popular drugs such as cannabis to satisfy demand and make huge gains in taxation by taxes? And then refuse admission to clinics of confused and/or criminal users? The parallels are scary: don't cross the road/don't have an accident/don't pay attention in school. It starts with the innocuous and makes it easy to create precedents for radicals to spice up. So far it's been panic in the face of ignorance. Let's not maintain a folly because controversial and failed so-called scientists have dogs in the fight and their whole reputations being built on shifting sand. It won't be long before the anarchists get their way and only the madmen succeed. I recommend reading Karol Sikora (leading cancer specialist of impeccable qualifications) instead of media-practised wafflers.
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I went to Tesco this morning for a paper and there was a chap with a mask on. Trouble was, it was a Lone Ranger mask. Now that shows an enterprising spirit. What did I do? Stayed three meters away from him with my mask on, whilst I was chuckling. At least nobody could see me chuckling for that blessed mask.
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