Two items in the News!

murphyv310 · 4th July 2016, 09:20

Hi.
Farage is to step down
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36702468

Discussion regarding an act of parliament to trigger article 50
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36700350

Could mean that even after a referendum we still may be tied into the EU whether we like it or not! There are a lot more in parliament who support remain than leave!

neilb740 · 4th July 2016, 12:42

They are just trying to find the best way to wrap their dishonesty in legal gobbledygook.

When (not if) Brexit fails to happen due to some obscure loophole, maybe people will finally realise that we don't live in a democracy.
We are in an Autocracy where the ruling class maintain a carefully managed illusion of democratic rights.

They don't care what we think.

They only gave us a referendum in the first place because they were pretty sure we would vote the way they wanted.

Now we have shocked them with the wrong answer they will weasel out of it and do what they were always going to do anyway.

Scaramanga · 4th July 2016, 13:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by neilb740

They are just trying to find the best way to wrap their dishonesty in legal gobbledygook.

When (not if) Brexit fails to happen due to some obscure loophole, maybe people will finally realise that we don't live in a democracy.
We are in an Autocracy where the ruling class maintain a carefully managed illusion of democratic rights.

They don't care what we think.

They only gave us a referendum in the first place because they were pretty sure we would vote the way they wanted.

Now we have shocked them with the wrong answer they will weasel out of it and do what they were always going to do anyway.

I fear you are probably correct

Leyland Worldmaster · 4th July 2016, 13:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by neilb740

They are just trying to find the best way to wrap their dishonesty in legal gobbledygook.

When (not if) Brexit fails to happen due to some obscure loophole, maybe people will finally realise that we don't live in a democracy.
We are in an Autocracy where the ruling class maintain a carefully managed illusion of democratic rights.

They don't care what we think.

They only gave us a referendum in the first place because they were pretty sure we would vote the way they wanted.

Now we have shocked them with the wrong answer they will weasel out of it and do what they were always going to do anyway.

With regards your last line; I've had this nagging feeling that would happen... time will tell...

After all it isn't legally binding.

If they don't proceed, things will kick off big time. Let's not forget the riots in the not too distant past!

Darcydog · 4th July 2016, 13:59

Ken Clarke said in the HoC that Parliament should ignore the Brexit vote.

Quite where he thinks this will leave democracy I don't know.

He always was an arrogant fool of a man who liked to play the bumbling ill-dressed clown. Now I think we see the real Ken Clarke underneath this act.

We will have to wait and see how this pans out.

Woof25 · 4th July 2016, 15:15

This is not a polictical forum pm each other and leave the rest of us in peace please parliment may vote on it but will not ignore the people.
Thank you

Scaramanga · 4th July 2016, 17:51

Well we have a photography forum and a Technology forum - perhaps a political forum where peeps can discuss or avoid politics

HarryM1BYT · 4th July 2016, 19:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woof25

This is not a polictical forum pm each other and leave the rest of us in peace please parliment may vote on it but will not ignore the people.
Thank you

If you don't like reading it, nobody is forcing you to - just ignore it.

Best_of_British · 4th July 2016, 18:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woof25

This is not a polictical forum pm each other and leave the rest of us in peace please parliment may vote on it but will not ignore the people.
Thank you

Its in the social forum. Move on and dont waste your time replying.

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Polly · 4th July 2016, 18:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by mss

The difference being that discussing photography and technology are likely to lead to cohesion within the membership whereas politics most certainly will not.

Political discussion IMO generally brings out the worst in people.

Completely agree, so let's discuss 1.8 versus V6 or diesel versus petrol. 😡

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Darcydog This is my second home Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 5,428 Thanks: 3,123 Thanked 3,170 Times in 2,096 Posts	Ken Clarke said in the HoC that Parliament should ignore the Brexit vote. Quite where he thinks this will leave democracy I don't know. He always was an arrogant fool of a man who liked to play the bumbling ill-dressed clown. Now I think we see the real Ken Clarke underneath this act. We will have to wait and see how this pans out.

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Woof25 Passed Away Rover 75 Saloon CDti Se A Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North London Posts: 2,500 Thanks: 5 Thanked 401 Times in 287 Posts	This is not a polictical forum pm each other and leave the rest of us in peace please parliment may vote on it but will not ignore the people. Thank you