Ahh, but do they have to pay the money back?

tourerfogey · 23rd July 2008, 15:11

Mr & Mrs Canoe man jailed today - but no mention as to whether their estate will be liquadated to pay back the money they obtained by fraudulent means.

If not, why not?

Ken · 23rd July 2008, 15:20

I read earlier that their assets are being claimed back. I think it was on ceefax

Ken · 23rd July 2008, 15:22

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Originally Posted by Ken

I read earlier that their assets are being claimed back. I think it was on ceefax

forget the above

this is what I read on BBC website

A compensation hearing to determine how the couple can pay back the £250,000 they defrauded will take place at a later date.

pondweed · 23rd July 2008, 15:28

lets hope they are good at writing....

tourerfogey · 23rd July 2008, 15:55

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Originally Posted by pondweed

lets hope they are good at writing....

Let's hope they're not - that would be too easy a way out...

JohnDotCom · 23rd July 2008, 16:04

Channel 4 Films want to make a film of the story when they are released.
A script/book will need to be penned.
Money Problem solved.

apywell · 23rd July 2008, 21:36

To be honest I don't understand why they are being sent down. From what I understand they are not a danger to the public, and I thought the prisons were full. Shouldn't their cells be used to house people who present a real danger. They should be made to pay all the money back with interest and some kind of financial deterrent.

DJAndyB · 23rd July 2008, 21:44

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Originally Posted by apywell

To be honest I don't understand why they are being sent down. From what I understand they are not a danger to the public, and I thought the prisons were full. Shouldn't their cells be used to house people who present a real danger. They should be made to pay all the money back with interest and some kind of financial deterrent.

Couldn't agree more. Just think a drunk yob without insurance who has an accident and kills someone gets just 20 months and the deceased cannot be bought back.

These people could, over time, repay the money and the costs of the case etc.

I cannot understand the sentencing guidelines in this country.

Raistlin · 23rd July 2008, 22:18

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Originally Posted by DJAndyB

I cannot understand the sentencing guidelines in this country.

Start off with the fact that one offence was deliberate and pre-meditated while the other was not.

Also, bear in mind that, historically, British Jurisprudence was introduced and evolved by, and for, property owners.

tourerfogey · 24th July 2008, 11:20

In answer to my own question:

From AOL News today:

Police have begun to sift through the financial assets of John and Anne Darwin to recover the money the couple defrauded in their £250,000 canoe death scam.
The back-from-the-dead canoeist, 57, and his wife, 56, hatched their audacious plot to beat bankruptcy after running into financial difficulties.
Their "determined, sustained and sophisticated" fraud ended on Wednesday at Teesside Crown Court where Mr Darwin was jailed for six years and three months and his wife for six-and-a-half years.
In total, the Darwins claimed £250,820.75 in insurance payments and pension payouts over a five-and-half-year period.
The money was used to keep the couple afloat and allow them to pay off the hefty mortgage on their large marital home and portfolio of rental properties. When all the houses were sold off, the couple laundered the money - even using their own sons Mark, 32, and Anthony, 29 - via Jersey to Panama, where the couple started a new life.
Police believe that at the time the Darwins were arrested last December, their assets were worth £500,000 - the equivalent of one million US dollars in Panama.
After Mr Darwin walked into a London police station, officers began unravelling their complicated finances in Panama.
Mrs Darwin had bought an apartment in Panama City, which was worth 56,000 US dollars (£28,000), and spent 389,789 US dollars (£198,000) on land to build a canoeing centre for tourists.
Continuing Mr Darwin's love of large cars, the couple drove around in a 45,000 US dollars (£23,000) Toyota Land Cruiser. There were also two bank accounts in Panama - containing 319 US dollars (£160) and 220 US dollars (£110) respectively - a Yorkshire Bank account with £2,300, two HSBC bank accounts holding £60 and £550, and two HSBC bank accounts in Jersey with £1,800 US dollars (£900) and 100 US dollars (£50).
Detective Inspector Andy Greenwood, who led the inquiry into the couple, said police were already starting the process of getting the money back and a worldwide order is in place freezing the couple's assets.

With regard to them 'not being a danger to the public' and they therefore should not be sent to jail especially as they are full, then I don't agree - Just build more jails

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tourerfogey Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	In answer to my own question: From AOL News today: Police have begun to sift through the financial assets of John and Anne Darwin to recover the money the couple defrauded in their £250,000 canoe death scam. The back-from-the-dead canoeist, 57, and his wife, 56, hatched their audacious plot to beat bankruptcy after running into financial difficulties. Their "determined, sustained and sophisticated" fraud ended on Wednesday at Teesside Crown Court where Mr Darwin was jailed for six years and three months and his wife for six-and-a-half years. In total, the Darwins claimed £250,820.75 in insurance payments and pension payouts over a five-and-half-year period. The money was used to keep the couple afloat and allow them to pay off the hefty mortgage on their large marital home and portfolio of rental properties. When all the houses were sold off, the couple laundered the money - even using their own sons Mark, 32, and Anthony, 29 - via Jersey to Panama, where the couple started a new life. Police believe that at the time the Darwins were arrested last December, their assets were worth £500,000 - the equivalent of one million US dollars in Panama. After Mr Darwin walked into a London police station, officers began unravelling their complicated finances in Panama. Mrs Darwin had bought an apartment in Panama City, which was worth 56,000 US dollars (£28,000), and spent 389,789 US dollars (£198,000) on land to build a canoeing centre for tourists. Continuing Mr Darwin's love of large cars, the couple drove around in a 45,000 US dollars (£23,000) Toyota Land Cruiser. There were also two bank accounts in Panama - containing 319 US dollars (£160) and 220 US dollars (£110) respectively - a Yorkshire Bank account with £2,300, two HSBC bank accounts holding £60 and £550, and two HSBC bank accounts in Jersey with £1,800 US dollars (£900) and 100 US dollars (£50). Detective Inspector Andy Greenwood, who led the inquiry into the couple, said police were already starting the process of getting the money back and a worldwide order is in place freezing the couple's assets. With regard to them 'not being a danger to the public' and they therefore should not be sent to jail especially as they are full, then I don't agree - Just build more jails