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Old 22nd September 2019, 13:13   #31
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I think everyone is being a bit negative. There will always be classic cars - rich folk like them and many politicians - and that group tend to get what they want. I think I may see the end of petrol daily drives in my lifetime, but as a classic I do believe they will live on!
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Old 22nd September 2019, 13:30   #32
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I think all that is needed for electric vehicles to become an everyday proposition is to be able to charge in a few minutes at most.

If I understand the technology correctly, if battery technology moves on so it can take high charge rates, a form of capacitive charging will mean you will get your recharge extremely quickly. These super capacitors or similar, will store charge ready to be released to charge spent batteries at stations, or even at home.
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Old 22nd September 2019, 15:41   #33
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To ease traffic congestion cars of the future will drive themselves, and those driven by the likes of us will just get in the way and slow things down.


So forget about what is powering them, the fact is you won't be at the wheel, and that will rule out classics, future classics, and and anything else that is not fully automated.
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Old 22nd September 2019, 16:36   #34
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Can't remember where, unfortunately, but I remember reading something a while back discussing the notion of a "bridging technology" between today's EVs and those made in e.g. five years' time involving supercapacitors - the idea being that the first amount of rapid charge/discharge (e.g. heavy acceleration) would be handled by the supercapacitor, while the more conventional Li-Ion battery would handle the steadier/more gradual phase of the cycle.

I'm not sure how realistic or necessary that is, tbh. The current (ahaha) top-of-the-range tech as embodied in the likes of the Porsche Taycan - which can charge seven times faster than today's average EV does, taking just 15 minutes to add another 248 miles of range - will certainly reach us lesser mortals in due course. While 350kW charging in mainstream EVs is still some way off, among the latest crop we are already seeing improvements in rapid charging capability from around 50kW to 100 or even 175kW.

But the Taycan is a car which already has a range of over 300 miles and for myself at least, this would be near on the maximum distance I might ever cover in a single road trip. There is simply no possibility of me doing that sort of journey without taking at least a 10-15 minute break, for safety reasons if none other. Setting my sights a bit lower and looking at the mid-range Volkswagen ID, even cruising above 70mph all the way would still only necessitate a 10 minute stop at a 125kW charger en route to ensure I have more than enough range to complete my journey.

I've said before that if cost wasn't an issue, I would love to convert one of my 75s to EV. A 200 mile range, with the capability of adding another 100 miles in less than half an hour, would be more than adequate for me. Most days I only cover 20 miles, with the occasional 30-mile round trip to the nearest main town, so even a paltry 1st generation Leaf battery would do the basics for me. But I think I'd rather something with a bit ... more. I certainly don't feel the need to have adaptive cruise control, autopilot, self-parking or other such modern gimmicks which come as standard in today's motors, so an all-electric 75 would do me nicely.
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Old 22nd September 2019, 19:33   #35
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Ed China wrote a very good article on this subject.
He maintained that the only way forward would be
electric conversion. There are already some budding
specialists in this field. Logically, there will be less fossil fuel imported due to declining demand and the price per litre will rise. Realistically, owners of classic vehicles lower down the 'food chain' will no longer be able to afford to fuel them. Those with Ferraris, Maseratis, Rolls-Royces will. It's definitely the end of the thermal engine era.
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Old 23rd September 2019, 08:41   #36
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lets hope you dont have a serious bump in one ( electric car) with fires, not a pretty sight when you can't isolate the live/negatives in a crash.
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Old 23rd September 2019, 12:26   #37
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True that, sort of - it's the electrolyte which is the greatest fire risk in a lithium-ion battery. But then again, neither is a petrol (or LPG, or even hydrogen) fireball an easy thing to deal with. Might be worth having a read through this article, but here are a couple of excerpts -

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When batteries are used as intended, there’s only one fire for every 100 million lithium-ion battery cells out there, says Jeff Dahn, professor of physics and chemistry at Dalhousie University. Tesla also guards against thermal runaway events with an extensive liquid cooling system designed to cool the cells so fast that if one cell catches fire, its neighbors won’t.

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Tesla further protects the battery pack with a quarter-inch-thick plate of hardened aluminum. In many cases, this seems to work. The Model S earned the highest safety ratings from NHTSA after crash tests. But the protection didn’t prove to be enough in the case of the (three) fires.
Tesla also built a firewall between the pack and the passenger compartment. “That firewall is designed so that even if the pack does go into thermal runaway, it does not penetrate the passenger compartment,” Musk says.
Here's another article which starts off with a rather pertinent quote:

"A battery-powered vehicle having a fire incident is newsworthy. A gasoline-powered vehicle having a fire is newsworthy only if it stops traffic."

In short, if this is something that genuinely concerns you then you should never get on a aeroplane again, as the fire risk from all those phone and laptop batteries they allow on is greater, less preventable and potentially more catastrophic than any EV fire.
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Old 25th September 2019, 15:51   #38
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Not wanting to get political on the subject (lets face it, it will be politicians that decide) but the Labour Party Conference seem to have voted overwhelmingly to ban the use of ALL fossil fuels by 2030 if they come into power.

The end may come sooner than we think.
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