KV6 timing belts.

[marinabrian]

Originally Posted by clf

Erm what? This is a rather disturbing analogy. Leaving aside the irrelevance (because the faulty Boeing components had specific but miscalculated parameters or variables misunderstood) and lives lost, it demonstrates to me that you do not understand the concept of erring on the side of caution, nor margins of error.

But since you have used it, I will direct the same analogy to your guidance on the belts. Boeing, currently are being investigated, and are likely to be held culpable for the deaths of all those on board, as well as the compensating companies who purchased the aircraft. So with this analogy, you are saying now is that you, the advice giver, WILL stand over all engines and labour involved, damaged by a snapped belt, if its change has been ignored after reading your guidance (obviously with the proviso, that the pulleys and tensioners have all been checked and spin freely).

A company can be wrong (as can an individual), however the difference is, these companies stand over their mistakes and compensate for them. Companies avoid these positions by building the margins of error to accommodate variables, ie different uses of materials or different driving styles and locations. Their position is not about making money, but rather about not losing it.



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Alan, that was considerably better thought out than my original reply to SD1too's absolutely inappropriate use of a tragedy to hammer home his absolute and total disregard of anything anyone has to say on the matter of the KV6 engine, even the manufacturers themselves, just unbelievable.

He is without doubt the absolute authority on the subject, and I'm sure he will be more than happy to underwrite each and every one of the KV6 engines fitted to each owner who follows his sage advice.

Me, I'm going to head over the Chinese takeaway for a chicken chow mein,

Cheerio chaps.

Brian

[roverbarmy]

Basically there are two choices. Replace at recommended intervals of time or mileage (safest option) OR do it when you think fit and take the risk. We can debate it until the cows come home, or the cows have gone to the slaughterhouse. Nobody can force you to do either way. I've had a belt go before it was due on a dealer fitted Escort diesel and I had one, on a car that I was told had the cambelt changed when I bought it and ran it for 6 years, only to find that it hadn't been changed (so was actually 13 years old!!!, yet still looked "good"?) You pay (or don't) your money and takes your choice. Can we please put this to bed now or folks are going to start falling out again!

[clf]

Originally Posted by roverbarmy

Basically there are two choices. Replace at recommended intervals of time or mileage (safest option) OR do it when you think fit and take the risk. We can debate it until the cows come home, or the cows have gone to the slaughterhouse. Nobody can force you to do either way. Can we please put this to bed now or folks are going to start falling out again!

For me, doing it or not doing it, is not in question. Advising not to do it as it is either a money maker for the manufacturer, or mine has covered 70 million miles and is 30 years old, so therefore yours will be fine is my problem.

everyone has a choice, but if the question is asked, the petitioner doesnt know. To advise against the decades of continuous legitimate research is foolhardy at best.

[Les4048]

Really think the thread has run its course and should be closed before anything else upsetting is said

[kaiser]

Originally Posted by Les4048

Really think the thread has run its course and should be closed before anything else upsetting is said

What?? just as it starts getting interesting?

When everything is said and done, I think that even the most dimwitted reader has now got the drift, and that is "do as you like, and live with the consequences".

There are cars that are hard on belts, our older BMW 316i was one of those. The belt was changed every 40000km, as recommended, but it snapped twice before the mark. First time covered by BMW as it was serviced by them, and second time they denied payment, as the speedo had broken. However the belt snapped early, there was no doubt about that.
Then there are cars that are not hard on belts, and I think the V6 falls under this category.

So listen to the people and make your own mind up.

It is not like you have not heard both sides of the story!

So it can only be a well informed decision.

[Gate Keeper]

My 4x4 is due to have the timing belt changed and when I asked last night which brand do I go for on the 4x4 forum, the consensus was Gates. One opinion said Dayco was poor quality and would easily snap, another opinion said go for Milners own brand which is Toyopower made in Singapore, one belt is offered with 94 teeth and the other is 104 teeth at £38. Gates kit is £120. I have not asked about the Dayco. Dayco are popular in Kenya but are expensive at around £300. Another poster said Dayco and Gates are rubbish, only go for OEM. I have been advised to get the belt kit when I am visiting the UK mid February.

[T-Cut]

KV6 Timing Belts Replacement - HowTo Decide

Many 75 and ZT owners have to face this issue at some stage in their car's life. Some seek advice from the Forum when trying to decide what to do. Even with the Handbook and MGR Service Schedules to hand, they simply find it too difficult a task. This HowTo is provided for any KV6 owner (or any other owner really) who, with their engine approaching /at / or beyond the specified belt replacement schedule, simply cannot decide what to do.

You may have taken a look at the belts, alongs with the various tensioner and such gubbins that interact with them and decided they look good for a while yet. Or maybe you can't afford to change them at the moment, or you can afford to but don't see why you should pay up, since you're unconvinced on the need. Or you don't fancy trying it yet 'cos you don't have the special tools. Or the minutiae you must comprehend are simply beyond you at the moment. If any of these apply, this is the HowTo for you.

For the task, your tool box can stay locked away, at least until the result is known. "The Result?" you ask. Yes, this Result will save you hours of tedious reading of Forum threads that repeatedly discuss this very important topic. Yet they leave you with little satisfaction on how to decide. So, forget all that. There is a simpler way.

What you'll need is coin of the realm. Any coin will do, but if you haven't got two to rub together, then a single penny will suffice (but it must be a genuine penny with a Head and Tail). The next step requires a little experience, so if you do need an insight, watch Match of the Day on the telly. At the start, note that the ref will take such a coin and chuck it upwards and allow it to drop onto the ground. You may notice that it actually spins around its diameter during flight. This is vital and is called a proper toss. You'll need to master it if your HowTo result is to be valid and for you to be deemed a proper toss** - well, you know what I mean. Your thumb is the clue here, so practice using it before you apply it under formal operating conditions.

Another thing you need is a witness. This can be anybody really, but the ideal witness is typically your spouse, preferably one who will nag you incessantly to follow through on a Positive Result. It's the only way for anyone who's systemically indecisive.

How does it work? Well as you toss your penny skywards, natural statistical forces are brought into play. These ephemeral forces make the decision for you - that's the beauty of it. There's little effort on your part, but as you toss, you MUST shout very clearly "Heads" or alternatively, "Tails". It must not be an ambiguous, invented word such as "Hea-ials" or "Tai-eads" or any other device for pre-empting or biasing the Result. It also has to be pronounced loudly so your witness can verify the Result and ensure that you do the right thing.

After the penny has dropped, it can become hidden in the grass, in garage dust, under furniture or amongst the general detritis of your indecisive environment. Hopefully though, the coin will be right there in front of you with it's decision made. If not, try to find it before it's inadvertently disturbed or possibly tampered by the witness. This would invalidate the Result and could create more work for you than necessary.

Now, without touching the coin in any way, observe which face is upwards and have the witness agree on it. Statistically, it will be a Head or a Tail. Only if the coin stands on its edge must the tossing step be repeated. If the upper face matches the utterence you made at the validated tossing step, you have a positive Result. You Will replace the belt/s and the associated gubbins. If the face does not match your utterence, the Result is negative. You Do Not replace the belt/s, etc. and you can forget about it altogether.

The witness must fulfil the obligations that a Positive Result places on them to prevent you faltering. On a personal note, I find this element of the method especially motivating during those phases of indecision that my ever busy life throws up.

In conclusion, this HowTo provides a simple, anxiety-free method for making a timing belt decision. You'll find that it's quite free from the manifold yet opposing biases of experts. It obviates those varied and sometimes inexplicable mantras you face in making decisions through alternative routes. However, it is provided without guarantee and the usual disclaimers must apply. The Decision and the Result are yours and yours alone.

If considered useful, perhaps a moderator would copy this HowTo to the appropriate place?

[marinabrian]

Excellent how too T-Cut

And for the Middlesex membership there is always this



This is to allow sufficient time for arguing the toss

Brian

[clf]

Originally Posted by T-Cut

KV6 Timing Belts Replacement - HowTo Decide

Many 75 and ZT owners have to face this issue at some stage in their car's life. Some seek advice from the Forum when trying to decide what to do. Even with the Handbook and MGR Service Schedules to hand, they simply find it too difficult a task. This HowTo is provided for any KV6 owner (or any other owner really) who, with their engine approaching /at / or beyond the specified belt replacement schedule, simply cannot decide what to do.

You may have taken a look at the belts, alongs with the various tensioner and such gubbins that interact with them and decided they look good for a while yet. Or maybe you can't afford to change them at the moment, or you can afford to but don't see why you should pay up, since you're unconvinced on the need. Or you don't fancy trying it yet 'cos you don't have the special tools. Or the minutiae you must comprehend are simply beyond you at the moment. If any of these apply, this is the HowTo for you.

For the task, your tool box can stay locked away, at least until the result is known. "The Result?" you ask. Yes, this Result will save you hours of tedious reading of Forum threads that repeatedly discuss this very important topic. Yet they leave you with little satisfaction on how to decide. So, forget all that. There is a simpler way.

What you'll need is coin of the realm. Any coin will do, but if you haven't got two to rub together, then a single penny will suffice (but it must be a genuine penny with a Head and Tail). The next step requires a little experience, so if you do need an insight, watch Match of the Day on the telly. At the start, note that the ref will take such a coin and chuck it upwards and allow it to drop onto the ground. You may notice that it actually spins around its diameter during flight. This is vital and is called a proper toss. You'll need to master it if your HowTo result is to be valid and for you to be deemed a proper - well, you know what I mean. Your thumb is the clue here, so practice using it before you apply it under formal operating conditions.

Another thing you need is a witness. This can be anybody really, but the ideal witness is typically your spouse, preferably one who will nag you incessantly to follow through on a Positive Result. It's the only way for anyone who's systemically indecisive.

How does it work? Well as you toss your penny skywards, natural statistical forces are brought into play. These ephemeral forces make the decision for you - that's the beauty of it. There's little effort on your part, but as you toss, you MUST shout very clearly "Heads" or alternatively, "Tails". It must not be an ambiguous, invented word such as "Hea-ials" or "Tai-eads" or any other device for pre-empting or biasing the Result. It also has to be pronounced loudly so your witness can verify the Result and ensure that you do the right thing.

After the penny has dropped, it can become hidden in the grass, in garage dust, under furniture or amongst the general detritis of your indecisive environment. Hopefully though, the coin will be right there in front of you with it's decision made. If not, try to find it before it's inadvertently disturbed or possibly tampered by the witness. This would invalidate the Result and could create more work for you than necessary.

Now, without touching the coin in any way, observe which face is upwards and have the witness agree on it. Statistically, it will be a Head or a Tail. Only if the coin stands on its edge must the tossing step be repeated. If the upper face matches the utterence you made at the validated tossing step, you have a positive Result. You Will replace the belt/s and the associated gubbins. If the face does not match your utterence, the Result is negative. You Do Not replace the belt/s, etc. and you can forget about it altogether.

The witness must fulfil the obligations that a Positive Result places on them to prevent you faltering. On a personal note, I find this element of the method especially motivating during those phases of indecision that my ever busy life throws up.

In conclusion, this HowTo provides a simple, anxiety-free method for making a timing belt decision. You'll find that it's quite free from the manifold yet opposing biases of experts. It obviates those varied and sometimes inexplicable mantras you face in making decisions through alternative routes. However, it is provided without guarantee and the usual disclaimers must apply. The Decision and the Result are yours and yours alone.

If considered useful, perhaps a moderator would copy this HowTo to the appropriate place?

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Originally Posted by T-Cut

KV6 Timing Belts Replacement - HowTo Decide

Many 75 and ZT owners have to face this issue at some stage in their car's life. Some seek advice from the Forum when trying to decide what to do. Even with the Handbook and MGR Service Schedules to hand, they simply find it too difficult a task. This HowTo is provided for any KV6 owner (or any other owner really) who, with their engine approaching /at / or beyond the specified belt replacement schedule, simply cannot decide what to do.

You may have taken a look at the belts, alongs with the various tensioner and such gubbins that interact with them and decided they look good for a while yet. Or maybe you can't afford to change them at the moment, or you can afford to but don't see why you should pay up, since you're unconvinced on the need. Or you don't fancy trying it yet 'cos you don't have the special tools. Or the minutiae you must comprehend are simply beyond you at the moment. If any of these apply, this is the HowTo for you.

For the task, your tool box can stay locked away, at least until the result is known. "The Result?" you ask. Yes, this Result will save you hours of tedious reading of Forum threads that repeatedly discuss this very important topic. Yet they leave you with little satisfaction on how to decide. So, forget all that. There is a simpler way.

What you'll need is coin of the realm. Any coin will do, but if you haven't got two to rub together, then a single penny will suffice (but it must be a genuine penny with a Head and Tail). The next step requires a little experience, so if you do need an insight, watch Match of the Day on the telly. At the start, note that the ref will take such a coin and chuck it upwards and allow it to drop onto the ground. You may notice that it actually spins around its diameter during flight. This is vital and is called a proper toss. You'll need to master it if your HowTo result is to be valid and for you to be deemed a proper - well, you know what I mean. Your thumb is the clue here, so practice using it before you apply it under formal operating conditions.

Another thing you need is a witness. This can be anybody really, but the ideal witness is typically your spouse, preferably one who will nag you incessantly to follow through on a Positive Result. It's the only way for anyone who's systemically indecisive.

How does it work? Well as you toss your penny skywards, natural statistical forces are brought into play. These ephemeral forces make the decision for you - that's the beauty of it. There's little effort on your part, but as you toss, you MUST shout very clearly "Heads" or alternatively, "Tails". It must not be an ambiguous, invented word such as "Hea-ials" or "Tai-eads" or any other device for pre-empting or biasing the Result. It also has to be pronounced loudly so your witness can verify the Result and ensure that you do the right thing.

After the penny has dropped, it can become hidden in the grass, in garage dust, under furniture or amongst the general detritis of your indecisive environment. Hopefully though, the coin will be right there in front of you with it's decision made. If not, try to find it before it's inadvertently disturbed or possibly tampered by the witness. This would invalidate the Result and could create more work for you than necessary.

Now, without touching the coin in any way, observe which face is upwards and have the witness agree on it. Statistically, it will be a Head or a Tail. Only if the coin stands on its edge must the tossing step be repeated. If the upper face matches the utterence you made at the validated tossing step, you have a positive Result. You Will replace the belt/s and the associated gubbins. If the face does not match your utterence, the Result is negative. You Do Not replace the belt/s, etc. and you can forget about it altogether.

The witness must fulfil the obligations that a Positive Result places on them to prevent you faltering. On a personal note, I find this element of the method especially motivating during those phases of indecision that my ever busy life throws up.

In conclusion, this HowTo provides a simple, anxiety-free method for making a timing belt decision. You'll find that it's quite free from the manifold yet opposing biases of experts. It obviates those varied and sometimes inexplicable mantras you face in making decisions through alternative routes. However, it is provided without guarantee and the usual disclaimers must apply. The Decision and the Result are yours and yours alone.

If considered useful, perhaps a moderator would copy this HowTo to the appropriate place?

Sorry,But I have a problem with that stupid analogy........................................... ...I have only got a silver threepenny bit! What shall I do now please?