FBH in petrol car? (with remote?)

Supervinnie40 · 3rd September 2019, 05:45

A few weeks ago I was talking with somebody from the Dutch Rover forum. He has a diesel 75 with the Webasto FBH. He says he got somebody from the English club to install a remote, which allows him to turn it on/off from his living room.

He told me that the FBH basically heats up the coolant, which in turn can be used to heat the interior. In the cold winters, he gets in a nice warm car that starts without a problem.

After he told me how it works, it made me wonder if this isn't possible to install into a 1.8 liter K-series? The FBH would need its seperate fuel tank obivously, and the piping from the coolant to (and from) the FBH would need to be customized. But from what I heard, it should be possible.
In fact, I wonder if anybody has already done it??

I only didn't get much explaination on how the remote thing works...

Other then that, I was thinking: if I could customize the pipes to install a FBH. I would only need to feed it with electricity and a seperate tank. Both shouldn't be to much of a problem??

Mike Trident · 3rd September 2019, 06:17

Mine operates with a gsm unit where I can turn it on and off via a text message.

The gsm unit is also programmed so that with a single text command it will start the FBH and run it for 5 mins to warm up a bit then turn on the fan inside the car and run both of them for 20 mins before switching both off to avoid draining the battery.

I am sure it would be possible to run one in a petrol car as I have seen these webasto heaters used in boats, and even heaters in people's garages where it's been connected to a small radiator.

Supervinnie40 · 3rd September 2019, 06:47

Could you explain how the FBH makes the fan inside the car turn? Is that wired in in such a way that the FBH can control the fan, or does it do that automatically when the water gets warm enough?

I think that I might be able to come up with an installation plan once I figure out how everything is connected in the diesel.

marinabrian · 3rd September 2019, 08:11

FBH is a waste of time on an 1800, as they heat up much better than the dirty diesels do Vinnie

I personally wouldn't bother

Brian

Supervinnie40 · 3rd September 2019, 08:16

Honestly, I am mainly interested for the wireless remote function. It'd be really nice to turn it on from my kitchen window, letting the windscreen defrost before I get in the car. No need to scrape the ice off anymore.

vitesse · 3rd September 2019, 08:41

If your car is close to an electrical outlet then why not install an electric heater as we in Scandinavia do? My 2.5 has a heater element plumbed into the coolant and then a convector fan inside the car. Never any ice and instant starting even when minus 20. Have a look here: https://www.defa.com/electrical-preh...engine-heater/ Bit pricy at first but I wouldn’t be without it.

Regards

Supervinnie40 · 3rd September 2019, 08:50

I didn't really know those existed to be honest. My only "problem" with this would be the possibility of controlling it remotely, and the need for an outlet outside. I don't fully trust an unsupervised outlet outside my house, and I won't have any options when at work (where we don't have an outside outlet).
Other then that, I can see how this can be very useful.

vitesse · 3rd September 2019, 09:12

There are lots of smart home wireless sockets available, even Siri or Alexis controlled, have a look at your local ebay but choose an approved outdoor socket.

My socket is a bit too far away for wireless but I just put it on a timer (about 2 hrs). Most Scandinavian workplaces provide parking outlets, but usually the need for heat is in the mornings - nights are generally colder.

Regards

Supervinnie40 · 3rd September 2019, 09:21

I guess you have a point there. Mornings are the "worst". There is much less ice scraping in the afternoon. We don't have outdoor outlets at work, in Holland it isn't very "normal" to connect the car to an outlet unless you have an electric car, and those use very different systems obviously

. The smart home socket is a good option, would make it easier to fit into my plan.

Ps3000 · 3rd September 2019, 10:14

This has been done -

https://the75andztclub.co.uk/forum/a.../t-100297.html

3rd September 2019, 05:45	#1
Supervinnie40 I really should get out more....... Rover 75 1.8 Club Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Tilburg (Netherland) Posts: 2,615 Thanks: 572 Thanked 336 Times in 247 Posts	FBH in petrol car? (with remote?) A few weeks ago I was talking with somebody from the Dutch Rover forum. He has a diesel 75 with the Webasto FBH. He says he got somebody from the English club to install a remote, which allows him to turn it on/off from his living room. He told me that the FBH basically heats up the coolant, which in turn can be used to heat the interior. In the cold winters, he gets in a nice warm car that starts without a problem. After he told me how it works, it made me wonder if this isn't possible to install into a 1.8 liter K-series? The FBH would need its seperate fuel tank obivously, and the piping from the coolant to (and from) the FBH would need to be customized. But from what I heard, it should be possible. In fact, I wonder if anybody has already done it?? I only didn't get much explaination on how the remote thing works... Other then that, I was thinking: if I could customize the pipes to install a FBH. I would only need to feed it with electricity and a seperate tank. Both shouldn't be to much of a problem?? __________________ Proud owner of the Dutch "Golden 75". A much loved Gold White Metallic Rover 75 1.8 na from 2000.

3rd September 2019, 06:17	#2
Mike Trident Posted a thing or two Rover 75 CDTi Saloon & Citroen C1 Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Oakenshaw, Near Bradford Posts: 1,622 Thanks: 385 Thanked 552 Times in 328 Posts	Mine operates with a gsm unit where I can turn it on and off via a text message. The gsm unit is also programmed so that with a single text command it will start the FBH and run it for 5 mins to warm up a bit then turn on the fan inside the car and run both of them for 20 mins before switching both off to avoid draining the battery. I am sure it would be possible to run one in a petrol car as I have seen these webasto heaters used in boats, and even heaters in people's garages where it's been connected to a small radiator. __________________ Rover 75 2.0 CDTi (131Ps) Conn SE Saloon. (Manual) 160 Remap, cruise control, electric window blind, temp gauge, Real walnut / ZT interior, FBH with GSM control. BORN Tuesday, 5th October 2004 @ 12:35:52 This vehicle was the 104,679th 75 to run off the production line, out of 112,381 This vehicle was the 3,318th 75 CDT Connoisseur SE (135) to be made out of 4,744 This vehicle was the 12,440th 75 in Starlight Silver (code: MBB) to be made out of 14,280 Starlight Silver 75s

3rd September 2019, 06:47	#3
Supervinnie40 I really should get out more....... Rover 75 1.8 Club Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Tilburg (Netherland) Posts: 2,615 Thanks: 572 Thanked 336 Times in 247 Posts	Could you explain how the FBH makes the fan inside the car turn? Is that wired in in such a way that the FBH can control the fan, or does it do that automatically when the water gets warm enough? I think that I might be able to come up with an installation plan once I figure out how everything is connected in the diesel. __________________ Proud owner of the Dutch "Golden 75". A much loved Gold White Metallic Rover 75 1.8 na from 2000.

3rd September 2019, 08:16	#5
Supervinnie40 I really should get out more....... Rover 75 1.8 Club Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Tilburg (Netherland) Posts: 2,615 Thanks: 572 Thanked 336 Times in 247 Posts	Honestly, I am mainly interested for the wireless remote function. It'd be really nice to turn it on from my kitchen window, letting the windscreen defrost before I get in the car. No need to scrape the ice off anymore. __________________ Proud owner of the Dutch "Golden 75". A much loved Gold White Metallic Rover 75 1.8 na from 2000.

3rd September 2019, 08:50	#7
Supervinnie40 I really should get out more....... Rover 75 1.8 Club Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Tilburg (Netherland) Posts: 2,615 Thanks: 572 Thanked 336 Times in 247 Posts	I didn't really know those existed to be honest. My only "problem" with this would be the possibility of controlling it remotely, and the need for an outlet outside. I don't fully trust an unsupervised outlet outside my house, and I won't have any options when at work (where we don't have an outside outlet). Other then that, I can see how this can be very useful. __________________ Proud owner of the Dutch "Golden 75". A much loved Gold White Metallic Rover 75 1.8 na from 2000.

3rd September 2019, 08:11	#4
marinabrian MG ZT Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 20,151 Thanks: 3,565 Thanked 10,837 Times in 5,718 Posts	FBH is a waste of time on an 1800, as they heat up much better than the dirty diesels do Vinnie I personally wouldn't bother Brian

3rd September 2019, 08:41	#6
vitesse I really should get out more....... Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Gävle Posts: 2,537 Thanks: 395 Thanked 823 Times in 652 Posts	If your car is close to an electrical outlet then why not install an electric heater as we in Scandinavia do? My 2.5 has a heater element plumbed into the coolant and then a convector fan inside the car. Never any ice and instant starting even when minus 20. Have a look here: https://www.defa.com/electrical-preh...engine-heater/ Bit pricy at first but I wouldn’t be without it. Regards

3rd September 2019, 09:12	#8
vitesse I really should get out more....... Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Gävle Posts: 2,537 Thanks: 395 Thanked 823 Times in 652 Posts	There are lots of smart home wireless sockets available, even Siri or Alexis controlled, have a look at your local ebay but choose an approved outdoor socket. My socket is a bit too far away for wireless but I just put it on a timer (about 2 hrs). Most Scandinavian workplaces provide parking outlets, but usually the need for heat is in the mornings - nights are generally colder. Regards

3rd September 2019, 09:21	#9
Supervinnie40 I really should get out more....... Rover 75 1.8 Club Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Tilburg (Netherland) Posts: 2,615 Thanks: 572 Thanked 336 Times in 247 Posts	I guess you have a point there. Mornings are the "worst". There is much less ice scraping in the afternoon. We don't have outdoor outlets at work, in Holland it isn't very "normal" to connect the car to an outlet unless you have an electric car, and those use very different systems obviously . The smart home socket is a good option, would make it easier to fit into my plan. __________________ Proud owner of the Dutch "Golden 75". A much loved Gold White Metallic Rover 75 1.8 na from 2000.

3rd September 2019, 10:14	#10
Ps3000 Gets stuck in None at moment Join Date: May 2013 Location: Loughborough Posts: 899 Thanks: 230 Thanked 125 Times in 113 Posts	This has been done - https://the75andztclub.co.uk/forum/a.../t-100297.html