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Old 19th July 2019, 14:42   #21
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Update!

RogerHeinz57 (John) has kindly posted me some serviceable used MGR washers. I'll soak them in Deox Gel if they need de-rusting (Bilt Hamber) - I've never used it before so we'll see how good it is.
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Old 19th July 2019, 17:51   #22
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The rear subframe failsafe washer KHV100020* is no longer available anywhere. Has anyone found a suitable alternative to it?

* #6 on the diagram here : https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-GRID001554
This is the reply i got from a German Company specialising in MGR and JLR responded recently to a request for rear failsafe washers -

That part is no longer from MG ROVER.

Look for BMW 33312282251 yourself.



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Old 19th July 2019, 20:20   #23
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The top of the bmw part isn't flat like the original. Not sure I'd use that!
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Old 19th July 2019, 20:27   #24
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The top of the bmw part isn't flat like the original. Not sure I'd use that!
It's only where it meets the inner part of the subframe bush, the washer is only there to stop the subframe coming away from the body should the bush fail, hence the name 'failsafe'. It is probably indented to give a bit more clearance to stop the washer rubbing on the rest of the bush and the outer ring.
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Old 19th July 2019, 20:32   #25
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It's only where it meets the inner part of the subframe bush, the washer is only there to stop the subframe coming away from the body should the bush fail, hence the name 'failsafe'. It is probably indented to give a bit more clearance to stop the washer rubbing on the rest of the bush and the outer ring.
Yep, its only a washer at the end of the day, the BMW ones will be fine.
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Old 19th July 2019, 20:40   #26
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If 82mm is across the flat section, what's the overall diameter Karl (inc the curved section)?

PS. Did you manage to find the washer* that goes with the damper to trailing arm bolt?
*Washer part number is RYF000170 - number 11 here https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-GRID001548.
I think you may have been answered already in this thread, but approx. 86mm inc the curved lip? Not sure the curved lip is that important if you get strong enough (thick gauge) material cut to shape, though.

Re the other washers (RYF000170), I don't think these are necessary on cars with the "dynamic dampers" at the bottom of the shocks, as the head of the flanged bolts are the full of the openings. These dampers were introduced sometime in 2002, I believe (as part of a Project Drive deletion of sound proofing in the rear parcel shelf) and act as a washer in and of themselves..?

I'd have thought that any stainless penny washers of near size would suit, however, if found to be absolutely necessary? I'm going to try without - looks a simple enough addition if needed later.

https://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/for...d.php?t=240949
(see post 3 for a pic of a shock without one of these dampers at the trailing arm).

+ a couple of my own photos attached for reference..


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Thanks Steve. Yes, I spotted those earlier in the week.

Outside diameter looks like 83mm, so slightly smaller than the MGR one in Dawn's pic - and the hole looks a couple of mill bigger.

Why did they dish the rim on the MGR original - the only reason I can think of is that it stops it warping as the nut is tightened.
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The outside diameter of the ones I have for a FL2 are 8.5cn =85mm the bolts hole is 14mm. if you look closely the tape is loose so not on the edge
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Yep, its only a washer at the end of the day, the BMW ones will be fine.[/QUOT
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They are not cheap though according to these on ebay

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_o...82251&_sacat=0
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Old 20th July 2019, 07:13   #29
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This is the reply i got from a German Company specialising in MGR and JLR responded recently to a request for rear failsafe washers -

That part is no longer from MG ROVER.

Look for BMW 33312282251 yourself.



Mit freundlichen Grüßen / yours faithfully

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This is what he said to me on 19th July:

No, seems to be no longer available.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / yours faithfully

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Btw, as a point of interest: take the road marked 3 out of the above town and head north to Offen. Turn left onto Offener strasse, keep going to the T junction and stop. Very sad place.
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Old 20th July 2019, 08:04   #30
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They are not cheap though according to these on ebay

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_o...82251&_sacat=0
Or even https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...h/33312282251/
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