mdf speaker rings

awvc1 · 29th October 2015, 20:13

Does anyone know if these would be any good or is it necessary to custom build?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rover-75-1...-/371321315640

Would these improve much on the sound on harmon kardon fronts in addition to sound deadening the door panels?

Avulon · 29th October 2015, 20:47

I'm no ICE expert, but imo I'd think that sound deadening the doors would be the most effective improvement. Making sure the current plastic speaker brackets are in good condition and firmly mounted would be a good idea. I'd only use something like this If I was planning on a real high power system (which I won't because the bm24 is quite loud enough for me to not hear anything else around me when turned up: and that includes ambulances and police cars right behind!

awvc1 · 29th October 2015, 21:00

ok, I"m quite new to all of this - regarding sound deadening, it it a case of lining whole of the inside of the outer door skin with something like dynamat and placing a layer of it on the inner door surface, below the standard foam layer on the door? Then make sure the foam is punctured behind the speaker?

Is dynamat worth the money or are there cheaper products just as good?

Ste.Sales · 30th October 2015, 09:11

rings don't fit, you have to modify them to fit the contour of the door... there is a how to somewhere but I cant find it right now. sound deadening is the way to go.

Avulon · 30th October 2015, 12:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ste.Sales

rings don't fit, you have to modify them to fit the contour of the door... there is a how to somewhere but I cant find it right now. sound deadening is the way to go.

These do say 'Best possible fit due CNC technology' It's probably well worthwhile asking if these are shaped to the door contour or not.

awvc1 · 30th October 2015, 20:34

i will see what they say, but I am presuming that this is an effort that is probably not worth it on speakers like the HK ones. With better speakers, and ones that are driven by amps more powerful than what I have perhaps its more relevant.

I think I will try it all standard pretty much, minus the hk amp and substituted with a 2 channel for the subwoofer only.

The only thing I'm wondering is since its peanuts what about bass blockers? I see older threads people claim it can transform the HK system - is that worth it, and what type should I be looking for? BB2? Presumably this should only be used in series on the positive wire on the woofer in the lower door?

The other thing is it worth considering putting in crossovers on the hk woofer and tweeter in the front doors? These can be quite cheap - if it is worth it, can anyone recommend any?

Ebay links for both would be absolutely fantastic if anyone has any recommendations

spyder · 30th October 2015, 22:00

The MDF rings do work for better quality out of cheaper speakers, but they do have to be contoured very carefully to fit the doors.

Worked for me, but it was very time consuming as each set had to be hand formed. Not sure if I would be making any more.

Craig.

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...+speaker+rings

awvc1 · 31st October 2015, 07:40

which is precisely why if these ones are contoured I was interested in them

coolcat · 31st October 2015, 07:53

I've never seen them before so thanks for finding them.
I shall order some in to stock and in due course will fit and test them on my Focals to see what improvements they bring about

If they are worthwhile I shall see about ordering more from the company and keeping them as a stock item for installations

awvc1 · 31st October 2015, 08:29

nice to know I've managed to help someone along the way

Do you sell bass blockers Jeff, and would you recommend any particular ones on the stock HK setup if at all, or is your preferred option well configured crossovers?

I see the hk tweeter has its own 'passive' protection with a capacitor on the back, but at the moment the door speakers are receiving full range without bass blockers, and I know many have complained about that with hk setups. Bass blockers are the best route in this case right? Or should I look to putting in a proper crossover if I can find one cheap? If it gets too much the obvious answer becomes a set of hertz dsk's as they have a crossover built in, but i'm thinking about the rear doors and how they will behave too

29th October 2015, 20:13	#1
awvc1 Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Essex Posts: 1,177 Thanks: 221 Thanked 258 Times in 196 Posts	mdf speaker rings Does anyone know if these would be any good or is it necessary to custom build? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rover-75-1...-/371321315640 Would these improve much on the sound on harmon kardon fronts in addition to sound deadening the door panels? __________________ White Gold ConnSE, 2003 Mods: FBH Revotec Fan Inline 'stat Xenon lights + washers BMW MK4 satnav, clock mod, BT ulf, 16:9 screen & TV upgraded BM54 + BT Aux-in Miracast box Glasses holder Flip Key Spyhole +Jules plenum shield PPD - badges,rear plinth, carpeted heater panels, anchor bolts, reflectors Walnut Dash, handbrake+gearshift Twin Horns Drivers cupholder HK Speakers Chrome bullet mirrors Digital speedo LED interior bulbs Resler interface USB charging sockets x2

29th October 2015, 20:47	#2
Avulon This is my second home 1.8t Tourer Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tanelorn Posts: 4,830 Thanks: 956 Thanked 1,148 Times in 916 Posts	I'm no ICE expert, but imo I'd think that sound deadening the doors would be the most effective improvement. Making sure the current plastic speaker brackets are in good condition and firmly mounted would be a good idea. I'd only use something like this If I was planning on a real high power system (which I won't because the bm24 is quite loud enough for me to not hear anything else around me when turned up: and that includes ambulances and police cars right behind! __________________ Need a T4 ?: T4 Owners Map thanks to Stevestrat ( use at your own risk) Where?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanelorn Mods/Retrofits: PCV vortex 'filter'; bluetooth; inline thermostat; reversing sensors; plenum spyhole ; headlamp washers ; Diy mp3 player replacing CD multichanger; FBH with remote; Headlamp washers; black/chrome front grille, rear blind; Xenon projectors To do: puddle lights; 2 Din cd/nav to fit; boot release button

29th October 2015, 21:00	#3
awvc1 Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Essex Posts: 1,177 Thanks: 221 Thanked 258 Times in 196 Posts	ok, I"m quite new to all of this - regarding sound deadening, it it a case of lining whole of the inside of the outer door skin with something like dynamat and placing a layer of it on the inner door surface, below the standard foam layer on the door? Then make sure the foam is punctured behind the speaker? Is dynamat worth the money or are there cheaper products just as good? __________________ White Gold ConnSE, 2003 Mods: FBH Revotec Fan Inline 'stat Xenon lights + washers BMW MK4 satnav, clock mod, BT ulf, 16:9 screen & TV upgraded BM54 + BT Aux-in Miracast box Glasses holder Flip Key Spyhole +Jules plenum shield PPD - badges,rear plinth, carpeted heater panels, anchor bolts, reflectors Walnut Dash, handbrake+gearshift Twin Horns Drivers cupholder HK Speakers Chrome bullet mirrors Digital speedo LED interior bulbs Resler interface USB charging sockets x2

30th October 2015, 20:34	#6
awvc1 Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Essex Posts: 1,177 Thanks: 221 Thanked 258 Times in 196 Posts	i will see what they say, but I am presuming that this is an effort that is probably not worth it on speakers like the HK ones. With better speakers, and ones that are driven by amps more powerful than what I have perhaps its more relevant. I think I will try it all standard pretty much, minus the hk amp and substituted with a 2 channel for the subwoofer only. The only thing I'm wondering is since its peanuts what about bass blockers? I see older threads people claim it can transform the HK system - is that worth it, and what type should I be looking for? BB2? Presumably this should only be used in series on the positive wire on the woofer in the lower door? The other thing is it worth considering putting in crossovers on the hk woofer and tweeter in the front doors? These can be quite cheap - if it is worth it, can anyone recommend any? Ebay links for both would be absolutely fantastic if anyone has any recommendations __________________ White Gold ConnSE, 2003 Mods: FBH Revotec Fan Inline 'stat Xenon lights + washers BMW MK4 satnav, clock mod, BT ulf, 16:9 screen & TV upgraded BM54 + BT Aux-in Miracast box Glasses holder Flip Key Spyhole +Jules plenum shield PPD - badges,rear plinth, carpeted heater panels, anchor bolts, reflectors Walnut Dash, handbrake+gearshift Twin Horns Drivers cupholder HK Speakers Chrome bullet mirrors Digital speedo LED interior bulbs Resler interface USB charging sockets x2

30th October 2015, 22:00	#7
spyder This is my second home 75 CDT Auto Tourer , Rover 45 , Astra, Zaffira, Chev Captiva Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Wilts Posts: 3,342 Thanks: 203 Thanked 436 Times in 360 Posts	The MDF rings do work for better quality out of cheaper speakers, but they do have to be contoured very carefully to fit the doors. Worked for me, but it was very time consuming as each set had to be hand formed. Not sure if I would be making any more. Craig. http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...+speaker+rings __________________ Chrome skull caps, EGR cleaned (original housing), Mondeo lower mounting, 12V outlets in the armrest and tourer boot, cat fixed, working FBH, Lidl plenum covers, DD with reverse camera.New speakesr/Tweeters with MDF rings. wood dash, Memory leather seats, wooden finished steering and handbrake, Xenon headlights.

30th October 2015, 09:11	#4
Ste.Sales Avid contributor Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Preston Posts: 233 Thanks: 9 Thanked 37 Times in 35 Posts	rings don't fit, you have to modify them to fit the contour of the door... there is a how to somewhere but I cant find it right now. sound deadening is the way to go.

31st October 2015, 07:40	#8
awvc1 Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Essex Posts: 1,177 Thanks: 221 Thanked 258 Times in 196 Posts	which is precisely why if these ones are contoured I was interested in them __________________ White Gold ConnSE, 2003 Mods: FBH Revotec Fan Inline 'stat Xenon lights + washers BMW MK4 satnav, clock mod, BT ulf, 16:9 screen & TV upgraded BM54 + BT Aux-in Miracast box Glasses holder Flip Key Spyhole +Jules plenum shield PPD - badges,rear plinth, carpeted heater panels, anchor bolts, reflectors Walnut Dash, handbrake+gearshift Twin Horns Drivers cupholder HK Speakers Chrome bullet mirrors Digital speedo LED interior bulbs Resler interface USB charging sockets x2

31st October 2015, 07:53	#9
coolcat This is my second home Audi Q3 TDI S-Line Quattro Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Clacton On Sea/On the boat somewhere Posts: 51,166 Thanks: 9,890 Thanked 12,235 Times in 8,232 Posts	I've never seen them before so thanks for finding them. I shall order some in to stock and in due course will fit and test them on my Focals to see what improvements they bring about If they are worthwhile I shall see about ordering more from the company and keeping them as a stock item for installations __________________ Jeff.

31st October 2015, 08:29	#10
awvc1 Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Essex Posts: 1,177 Thanks: 221 Thanked 258 Times in 196 Posts	nice to know I've managed to help someone along the way Do you sell bass blockers Jeff, and would you recommend any particular ones on the stock HK setup if at all, or is your preferred option well configured crossovers? I see the hk tweeter has its own 'passive' protection with a capacitor on the back, but at the moment the door speakers are receiving full range without bass blockers, and I know many have complained about that with hk setups. Bass blockers are the best route in this case right? Or should I look to putting in a proper crossover if I can find one cheap? If it gets too much the obvious answer becomes a set of hertz dsk's as they have a crossover built in, but i'm thinking about the rear doors and how they will behave too __________________ White Gold ConnSE, 2003 Mods: FBH Revotec Fan Inline 'stat Xenon lights + washers BMW MK4 satnav, clock mod, BT ulf, 16:9 screen & TV upgraded BM54 + BT Aux-in Miracast box Glasses holder Flip Key Spyhole +Jules plenum shield PPD - badges,rear plinth, carpeted heater panels, anchor bolts, reflectors Walnut Dash, handbrake+gearshift Twin Horns Drivers cupholder HK Speakers Chrome bullet mirrors Digital speedo LED interior bulbs Resler interface USB charging sockets x2