Are EVs really the answer in the future? I do not think so. - Page 26

steve-45 · 21st January 2020, 22:20

Strange how things that are supposed to be good for the environment turn into a revenue collecting exercise!

Lancpudn · 22nd January 2020, 15:09

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Originally Posted by steve-45

Strange how things that are supposed to be good for the environment turn into a revenue collecting exercise!

Yeah I see a cash grab as much as a environmental thing.

Looks like the Scots might be the Guinea pigs for alternative road taxation methods judging by this article!

"To enable a managed transition to an inclusive net-zero carbon economy road infrastructure, the Scottish and UK Governments should immediately commit to work together to establish a charging/payment regime alternative to the existing fuel and road taxation based structure,’ it states".

https://www.transport-network.co.uk/...l-change/16406

sworks · 8th February 2020, 23:13

I had the pleasure of a Hyundai Kona EV for 24 hours. It showed 277 miles to empty on an almost full charge. An absolutely amazing bit of kit, in sport mode it’s quicker 0 to 60 than an i30N, apparently.

sworks · 8th February 2020, 23:29

It didn’t, being completely silent it has a VESS button which is a ‘virtual engine sound system’ so that at slow speeds people can hear you. It’s obviously an electric sound and it was rather therapeutic

wraymond · 9th February 2020, 13:34

In other news there are developments that are, well, scandalous.

Today's MoS has details of proven government involvement in understating emissions (a la VW etc.) over a considerable period insofar as advertising new car emission figures goes. That's not just 'involvement' but active coercion to present false figures.

With new rates of taxation/particulate output due 1-4-20 there are massive upgrades to annual tax ratings which, for example, amount to, for a Range Rover, over £500 per year extra. So, further depressing news for new car production in advance of 2035. All in preparation for EV's which have not yet been adequately provided for regarding charging. Any bets this was originated under EU rules?

coolguy · 9th February 2020, 15:08

Today's Sunday Times puts my previously expressed point exactly - Headline "The greenest machine is the one in your garage". Electric cars are clean, but building them can be a dirty business, writes their driving editor, Nick Rufford. "Motorists will not like and may not stand for the inconvenience of electric cars" - see the rebellion against Macron's plans to add to taxes paid by motorists, who are slow to be riled, but a powerful lobby once they are!

bendrick · 9th February 2020, 15:50

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Originally Posted by sworks

I had the pleasure of a Hyundai Kona EV for 24 hours. It showed 277 miles to empty on an almost full charge. An absolutely amazing bit of kit, in sport mode it’s quicker 0 to 60 than an i30N, apparently.

And what was its actual range?

Estimated if you didn't travel 277 miles in 24 hrs.

sworks · 9th February 2020, 19:25

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Originally Posted by bendrick

And what was its actual range?

Estimated if you didn't travel 277 miles in 24 hrs.

I didn’t, I covered 51 miles and returned the car showing 236 miles to empty.

bendrick · 10th February 2020, 14:45

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Originally Posted by sworks

I didn’t, I covered 51 miles and returned the car showing 236 miles to empty.

OK thanks, unfortunately the lack of miles doesn't really give us a realistic idea of true capacity. Thanks anyway.

kaiser · 10th February 2020, 16:01

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Originally Posted by MGJohn

Did it have a nice Induction and Exhaust note sound combination?... bit like this old bit of kit ... Turn up the sound....

Saw and HEARD that in action ridden in anger by no less a rider than "Mike the Bike" Hailwood himself.

The electrified youngsters of the future will never know what they've missed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2qzeEypWJg

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sworks Been absent for a while… Rover 75 Tourer, Classic mini Cooper S, Abarth 595 competizione, MG TF and a Hyundai Tucson PHEV Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cumbria Posts: 13,065 Thanks: 1,033 Thanked 1,686 Times in 1,040 Posts	It didn’t, being completely silent it has a VESS button which is a ‘virtual engine sound system’ so that at slow speeds people can hear you. It’s obviously an electric sound and it was rather therapeutic __________________ ................................................. 'Marmite' Possibly one of the most famous 75 tourers produced! left the production line as the last of only Three Rover 75 tourers produced in Trophy Yellow. 48 hours later Longbridge closed. The last sold ordered 75 Tourer. Paid for by the Phoenix Four and handed over by John Towers to the Warwickshire Northampton Air ambulance service as a Rapid Response vehicle

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wraymond This is my second home 75 Auto 2.5 SE Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Westcliff on Sea Posts: 5,185 Thanks: 423 Thanked 1,680 Times in 1,014 Posts	In other news there are developments that are, well, scandalous. Today's MoS has details of proven government involvement in understating emissions (a la VW etc.) over a considerable period insofar as advertising new car emission figures goes. That's not just 'involvement' but active coercion to present false figures. With new rates of taxation/particulate output due 1-4-20 there are massive upgrades to annual tax ratings which, for example, amount to, for a Range Rover, over £500 per year extra. So, further depressing news for new car production in advance of 2035. All in preparation for EV's which have not yet been adequately provided for regarding charging. Any bets this was originated under EU rules? __________________ member no. 235

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steve-45 This is my second home Rover 75 Saloon CDTi Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Belvedere Posts: 4,076 Thanks: 108 Thanked 1,089 Times in 774 Posts	Strange how things that are supposed to be good for the environment turn into a revenue collecting exercise!

9th February 2020, 15:08	#256
coolguy Coolguy Rover 75 CDT Tourer Auto, Rover 75 2.0 Connoisseur Auto, MG ZT 2.5 Auto and MG ZT Cdti Auto (Monogra Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Finedon Posts: 1,896 Thanks: 933 Thanked 638 Times in 430 Posts	Today's Sunday Times puts my previously expressed point exactly - Headline "The greenest machine is the one in your garage". Electric cars are clean, but building them can be a dirty business, writes their driving editor, Nick Rufford. "Motorists will not like and may not stand for the inconvenience of electric cars" - see the rebellion against Macron's plans to add to taxes paid by motorists, who are slow to be riled, but a powerful lobby once they are!