locking wheel nut problem

mickm1 · 24th July 2014, 16:17

had to get new tyres al round on the 75. There is a locking nut there and provided by prev owner. So took car today for tyres but Kwik Fit said can only get back 2 wheels off as the locking nut is judt slipping on front 2 wheels. The guy reckons its the actual locking nut and not the bolts. Checked papers that came with car and theres a card there which has a code and refers to key code for this... anyone know if a new one can be ordered or will ii just need to get them took off the old fashioned way

Thanks in advance

KWIL · 24th July 2014, 16:28

No 12 is a common key number, the usual Traders on here have them call Dunc again with the number off your card

goldievvc · 24th July 2014, 16:31

As said above, I`ve never seen another number apart from 12. That is obviously if they are genuine locking nuts.

T-Cut · 24th July 2014, 16:37

From what you say, it sounds like the front has McGard bolts fitted. They have bolts all round, not nuts. The McGard uses a slip ring to prevent anyone removing the bolts without a coded key. If you don't have a key, they are quite difficult to slacken, though tyre fitting depots usually have the wherewithall to do it. Many have the McGard master set and there's also a destructive tool available to force the issue. You can also get replacement keys - if you know the code of course.

TC

BigJohn · 24th July 2014, 16:43

Does the locking nut socket have splines down the outside or a random 'cloud' like pattern on the inside ? If the latter it is likely to be a McGard and there are numerous variations. On the plus side you can order a replacement socket from them in Germany, they will even be able to match the socket from emailed photos of the bolts. If you go down that route I would order two or three keys in case the first gets damaged in removing the remaing two wheels.

I had the same problem 3 years ago and used all three keys they sent me to get the last wheel off. I then threw the locking bolts in the bin and replaced them with standard bolts.

If it's the common number 12 key as the previous poster said one of the traders should be able to assist

trikey · 24th July 2014, 16:59

There are number 11's about as well, but as you say, the standard one is a no 12 (Unless it has McGard ones on - if so you are in for a long wait while they ship from Germany)

OddSox · 24th July 2014, 17:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-Cut

From what you say, it sounds like the front has McGard bolts fitted. They have bolts all round, not nuts. The McGard uses a slip ring to prevent anyone removing the bolts without a coded key. If you don't have a key, they are quite difficult to slacken, though tyre fitting depots usually have the wherewithall to do it. Many have the McGard master set and there's also a destructive tool available to force the issue. You can also get replacement keys - if you know the code of course.

TC

Why the hell would a car have TWO seperate locking wheel nuts?

McGard at the front and Rover 12 on the rear?

What are people thinking when they do this about prospective future owners?

mickm1 · 24th July 2014, 17:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-Cut

From what you say, it sounds like the front has McGard bolts fitted. They have bolts all round, not nuts. The McGard uses a slip ring to prevent anyone removing the bolts without a coded key. If you don't have a key, they are quite difficult to slacken, though tyre fitting depots usually have the wherewithall to do it. Many have the McGard master set and there's also a destructive tool available to force the issue. You can also get replacement keys - if you know the code of course.

TC

Mine looks similar to yours mate, so these need to come from Germany?
Im happy to have them knocked out somehow and replaced with other locking nuts or even hust standard ones. Tyres are deffo below legal limit, go easy remember as only got car Friday so trying to sort out lol.

Mick

BigJohn · 24th July 2014, 17:23

If the destructive tool that T Cut mentions is the same as the one I'm thinking of I think it's called Dyno Tool. A very helpful company that can supply you with details of tyre places that stock their tool, but it didn't work for me. The broke two of the copper headed tools that form into the shape of the locking bolt and weren't prepared to try a third, hence me going to McGards. If you have a impact driver use that, as short sharp shocks are more likely to free the bolt. Sustained pressure risks deforming the new keys.

Good Luck

badrover · 24th July 2014, 18:05

Mine had rover 12s fitted. The two fronts seized and stripped the thread on the bolt, the key was still fine. I had a nightmare getting them off. I tried welding bolts to them by but the bolt head sheared. In the end I carefully drilled them out. It was a nightmare. If drilling out hadn't worked I would have ground the wheel off as was so frustrated!

24th July 2014, 16:17	#1
mickm1 Loves to post MG ZT & Rover 75 Facelift models in Pearlescent Black Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Glasgow Posts: 391 Thanks: 109 Thanked 60 Times in 49 Posts	locking wheel nut problem had to get new tyres al round on the 75. There is a locking nut there and provided by prev owner. So took car today for tyres but Kwik Fit said can only get back 2 wheels off as the locking nut is judt slipping on front 2 wheels. The guy reckons its the actual locking nut and not the bolts. Checked papers that came with car and theres a card there which has a code and refers to key code for this... anyone know if a new one can be ordered or will ii just need to get them took off the old fashioned way Thanks in advance

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T-Cut This is my second home Rover75 and Mreg Corsa. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sumweer onat mote o'dust (Sagin) Posts: 21,753 Thanks: 341 Thanked 3,660 Times in 2,924 Posts	From what you say, it sounds like the front has McGard bolts fitted. They have bolts all round, not nuts. The McGard uses a slip ring to prevent anyone removing the bolts without a coded key. If you don't have a key, they are quite difficult to slacken, though tyre fitting depots usually have the wherewithall to do it. Many have the McGard master set and there's also a destructive tool available to force the issue. You can also get replacement keys - if you know the code of course. TC Last edited by T-Cut; 24th July 2014 at 16:40..

24th July 2014, 16:59	#6
trikey Premium Trader Rover 75 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Devon Posts: 33,768 Thanks: 8,837 Thanked 14,831 Times in 8,030 Posts	There are number 11's about as well, but as you say, the standard one is a no 12 (Unless it has McGard ones on - if so you are in for a long wait while they ship from Germany) __________________ Lest we forget..

24th July 2014, 16:28	#2
KWIL Precise Rover 75 Tourer 2.5KV6 Connoisseur SE Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Fleet Posts: 2,954 Thanks: 630 Thanked 617 Times in 480 Posts	No 12 is a common key number, the usual Traders on here have them call Dunc again with the number off your card

24th July 2014, 16:31	#3
goldievvc Avid contributor MG ZT-T 190 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Falkirk Posts: 129 Thanks: 10 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	As said above, I`ve never seen another number apart from 12. That is obviously if they are genuine locking nuts.

24th July 2014, 16:43	#5
BigJohn Gets stuck in Rover 75 Tourer Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Essex Posts: 609 Thanks: 518 Thanked 162 Times in 104 Posts	Does the locking nut socket have splines down the outside or a random 'cloud' like pattern on the inside ? If the latter it is likely to be a McGard and there are numerous variations. On the plus side you can order a replacement socket from them in Germany, they will even be able to match the socket from emailed photos of the bolts. If you go down that route I would order two or three keys in case the first gets damaged in removing the remaing two wheels. I had the same problem 3 years ago and used all three keys they sent me to get the last wheel off. I then threw the locking bolts in the bin and replaced them with standard bolts. If it's the common number 12 key as the previous poster said one of the traders should be able to assist

24th July 2014, 17:23	#9
BigJohn Gets stuck in Rover 75 Tourer Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Essex Posts: 609 Thanks: 518 Thanked 162 Times in 104 Posts	If the destructive tool that T Cut mentions is the same as the one I'm thinking of I think it's called Dyno Tool. A very helpful company that can supply you with details of tyre places that stock their tool, but it didn't work for me. The broke two of the copper headed tools that form into the shape of the locking bolt and weren't prepared to try a third, hence me going to McGards. If you have a impact driver use that, as short sharp shocks are more likely to free the bolt. Sustained pressure risks deforming the new keys. Good Luck

24th July 2014, 18:05	#10
badrover Gets stuck in 75 club se tourer,75 cdt tourer connie se, 75 dealer launch Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: cheshire Posts: 536 Thanks: 79 Thanked 97 Times in 73 Posts	Mine had rover 12s fitted. The two fronts seized and stripped the thread on the bolt, the key was still fine. I had a nightmare getting them off. I tried welding bolts to them by but the bolt head sheared. In the end I carefully drilled them out. It was a nightmare. If drilling out hadn't worked I would have ground the wheel off as was so frustrated!