Migrants crossing the channel

mbev51 · 25th November 2021, 12:13

Why is this still happening? We should have taken control of this, unfortunately it looks as if it’s getting worse. One reason touted why we are attractive to these illegal migrants, is that they can easily disappear into our grey economy.

mileshawk56 · 25th November 2021, 12:38

Good question Michael and your surmise is most likely correct, and they will not be subject to immediate vaccination or any medical checks so will no doubt delivering parcels or takeaways to an address near you any time soon. Chris.S. P.S I have just subjected some poor minion at the local Conservative office to a 15 minutes diatribe on the subject and the cost in electoral support and adverse general and world opinion that would be the least the Government could expect. He agreed.

wraymond · 25th November 2021, 13:22

It is still happening because Macron is up for election very soon and either way has a battle on his hands. Add to that the collective view of support for an ex-member of the Union and consider the current blind eye being offered.

In international law it is primarily a French problem which should be resolved by EU. It’s a strange thing that when UK was a member we were told the responsibility resides with the country of entry into the EU. There are several countries between UK and the entry point into EU. Every one of them between entry and Calais has ushered and aided the travellers ever onwards. Meanwhile, Brussels looks on and laughs.

History, especially the European flavour, always repeats ad nauseum.

WillyHeckaslike · 25th November 2021, 14:11

Whilst it is true that France does have some form re border control going back over the last century and before it does have a point along with other EU members about the UK's inaction over the pull factor. The expenses fiddlers really do seem to take the taxpayer for granted over this issue in particular. Maybe their perception of the sustainability of it stems from an addiction of some if not many of them to the teat of the public payroll.

torque2me · 25th November 2021, 14:19

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Originally Posted by WillyHeckaslike

Whilst it is true that France does have some form re border control going back over the last century and before it does have a point along with other EU members about the UK's inaction over the pull factor. The expenses fiddlers really do seem to take the taxpayer for granted over this issue in particular. Maybe their perception of the sustainability of it stems from an addiction of some if not many of them to the teat of the public payroll.

Whilst your post and previous ones cover the issue rather well. However, the talk of a high wage/salary workforce (latest buzzword) will obviously be of a higher attraction than some other EU countries were ID cards are compulsory.

Add in free health care (they will not be tax payers in the black economy), more freedoms, not be executed for rape and only have laughable sanctions when caught via criminal activity (because they don't exist) and it's a wonderful life!

Kev

macafee2 · 25th November 2021, 17:24

It is awful that so many lost their lives in such a dreadful way.

Why do they feel the need to come here illegally instead of legally?
What is the problem in their own country that makes them want to leave? Is this where the world needs to bring change?

If they arrive illegally and then marry a UK citizen or give birth in the UK, does that give them the right to stay? If it does then perhaps this is a rule we need to change?
Certainly if they commit crime deport them.

How many illegally arrived people do we deport each year?

It concerns me that these people may be facing all sort of dangers to get here, spend all their money to get here and then we poo on them. On the News there have been reports of staff shortages in low paid jobs. I am infuriated that we have people drawing the dole and not working when they are fit to work. What it does show, is that we need a foreign workforce, so perhaps they don't need to as has been suggested, disappear into a grey economy. This however would be "rewarding" breaking the law

macafee2

Number 6 · 25th November 2021, 17:30

OK the now for my two penny worth.

I believe that the inactivity of not stopping the flow of immigrants is because of the following reasons.

When the UK was controlled by the EU, there was an agreement signed that EU countries would be made to take a number if immigrants, When the UK left the EU they were still bound by this agreement.. Since then the UK government have been trying to pass thru parliament a Bill to annul this aforementioned agreement. This has been presented to Parliament several times, But every time it has been defeated/blocked by opposition parties.

This is why we see countless numbers of illegals entering the country who are there for only one reason.

trikey · 12th December 2021, 22:55

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John Nettles? he drove a Rover 75 didn't he?

This one perhaps…

WillyHeckaslike · 16th December 2021, 20:14

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This one perhaps…

What a great pic ... car looking good too.

KLM · 13th December 2021, 15:41

Migrants crossing. At school in the 1950's I learnt they were were called "Settlers".
Things have changed, now they are called "illegal immigrants". It's enough to give you indigestion

Kev.

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mbev51 Banned Removed Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Removed Posts: 1,343 Thanks: 171 Thanked 315 Times in 223 Posts	Migrants crossing the channel Why is this still happening? We should have taken control of this, unfortunately it looks as if it’s getting worse. One reason touted why we are attractive to these illegal migrants, is that they can easily disappear into our grey economy.

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wraymond This is my second home 75 Auto 2.5 SE Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Westcliff on Sea Posts: 5,185 Thanks: 423 Thanked 1,680 Times in 1,014 Posts	It is still happening because Macron is up for election very soon and either way has a battle on his hands. Add to that the collective view of support for an ex-member of the Union and consider the current blind eye being offered. In international law it is primarily a French problem which should be resolved by EU. It’s a strange thing that when UK was a member we were told the responsibility resides with the country of entry into the EU. There are several countries between UK and the entry point into EU. Every one of them between entry and Calais has ushered and aided the travellers ever onwards. Meanwhile, Brussels looks on and laughs. History, especially the European flavour, always repeats ad nauseum. __________________ member no. 235

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Number 6 This is my second home Rover 75 tourer Club CD/Limo Tints Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Meneac Posts: 6,759 Thanks: 5,007 Thanked 1,609 Times in 869 Posts	Illegals OK the now for my two penny worth. I believe that the inactivity of not stopping the flow of immigrants is because of the following reasons. When the UK was controlled by the EU, there was an agreement signed that EU countries would be made to take a number if immigrants, When the UK left the EU they were still bound by this agreement.. Since then the UK government have been trying to pass thru parliament a Bill to annul this aforementioned agreement. This has been presented to Parliament several times, But every time it has been defeated/blocked by opposition parties. This is why we see countless numbers of illegals entering the country who are there for only one reason. __________________ ] "I started out with nothing, and Ive still got most of it left!"

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KLM Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Club CDT Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: North West Posts: 1,289 Thanks: 691 Thanked 394 Times in 240 Posts	Migrants crossing. Migrants crossing. At school in the 1950's I learnt they were were called "Settlers". Things have changed, now they are called "illegal immigrants". It's enough to give you indigestion Kev.

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mileshawk56 Posted a thing or two MGZT Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Berkshire Posts: 1,281 Thanks: 1,738 Thanked 299 Times in 216 Posts	Good question Michael and your surmise is most likely correct, and they will not be subject to immediate vaccination or any medical checks so will no doubt delivering parcels or takeaways to an address near you any time soon. Chris.S. P.S I have just subjected some poor minion at the local Conservative office to a 15 minutes diatribe on the subject and the cost in electoral support and adverse general and world opinion that would be the least the Government could expect. He agreed.

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WillyHeckaslike This is my second home Rovers 75 & 25 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Wearside Posts: 4,520 Thanks: 543 Thanked 709 Times in 511 Posts	Whilst it is true that France does have some form re border control going back over the last century and before it does have a point along with other EU members about the UK's inaction over the pull factor. The expenses fiddlers really do seem to take the taxpayer for granted over this issue in particular. Maybe their perception of the sustainability of it stems from an addiction of some if not many of them to the teat of the public payroll.

25th November 2021, 17:24	#6
macafee2 This is my second home Rover 75 Saloon & Tourer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Lincoln Posts: 14,912 Thanks: 1,630 Thanked 3,032 Times in 2,181 Posts	It is awful that so many lost their lives in such a dreadful way. Why do they feel the need to come here illegally instead of legally? What is the problem in their own country that makes them want to leave? Is this where the world needs to bring change? If they arrive illegally and then marry a UK citizen or give birth in the UK, does that give them the right to stay? If it does then perhaps this is a rule we need to change? Certainly if they commit crime deport them. How many illegally arrived people do we deport each year? It concerns me that these people may be facing all sort of dangers to get here, spend all their money to get here and then we poo on them. On the News there have been reports of staff shortages in low paid jobs. I am infuriated that we have people drawing the dole and not working when they are fit to work. What it does show, is that we need a foreign workforce, so perhaps they don't need to as has been suggested, disappear into a grey economy. This however would be "rewarding" breaking the law macafee2