1.8T belt disaster

Shide · 15th June 2017, 12:47

75, 1.8T. has thrown its drive belts. Power steering and alternator, timing belt unknown as yet. So, assuming timing belt is OK, will there be any damage caused by this caused by this, is it a straightforward job to replace them? Any help please to a harrased 75 driver who is now finding ownership becoming tedious.

roverbarmy · 15th June 2017, 13:17

If the engine still turns over ( by hand with the plugs out to avoid damage ) you should have got away with it. The engine can run ( briefly) without the alternator and p.s./air con belts attached to test further. May be best to remove the upper cambelt cover (for the sake of undoing a few bolts) to inspect the cambelt and timing marks first.

Shide · 15th June 2017, 13:22

Engine shut itself down immediately. When the steering went heavy I thought i'd burst a tyre. Engine turns over seemingly OK without any terrible noises but will not fire up.

Number 6 · 15th June 2017, 15:37

I do believe that when the auxillary belts shred on the K series they have a tendency to ingest themselves into the cam belt.I know that this sounds unlikley but I have seen it happen on the same engine when fitted into an MGF.

If it has done that and coupled to the fact the car wont start..

I would check the cam belt before any thing else.

Shide · 15th June 2017, 20:46

A glimmer of hope, I removed the cam cover and the timing belt is intact (Hurrah) but she won't fire up (Boo). Has the engine management system intervened?

Billyuk1 · 15th June 2017, 21:09

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Originally Posted by Shide

A glimmer of hope, I removed the cam cover and the timing belt is intact (Hurrah) but she won't fire up (Boo). Has the engine management system intervened?

i would check the timing marks line uo 1st in case the belt has jumped a few teeth.
does the car spin over fast like there is lack of compression?

sworks · 15th June 2017, 21:36

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Originally Posted by Number 6

I do believe that when the auxillary belts shred on the K series they have a tendency to ingest themselves into the cam belt.I know that this sounds unlikley but I have seen it happen on the same engine when fitted into an MGF.

If it has done that and coupled to the fact the car wont start..

I would check the cam belt before any thing else.

Unfortunately I've seen this a few times when an aux belt breaks or comes off it can wrap around the crank and the cambelt jumps

Geoff130 · 15th June 2017, 21:45

Same thing happened to my daughters Renault, the aux belt shredded but the cams could still be seen turning through the oil filler but driven by a half width belt. Turned over fine but zero compression.

SD1too · 16th June 2017, 11:44

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Originally Posted by Shide

75, 1.8T. has thrown its drive belts. Power steering and alternator ...

Carl,

Is this a proven fact or an assumption because the engine stopped, your power steering became heavy and the 'battery charging' warning light illuminated?

In other words, do you have two broken auxiliary belts which you can actually see?

Simon

simondhopkins · 16th June 2017, 12:02

Put it back together, and put a new aux belt on, if the alternator is not turning, the engine wont fire up from experience.

Better to pay for the belt and pop it on than strip the engine for no reason. You'll need a new belt either way so as long as no remnants of the old belt were seen in the timing belt cover you should be ok.

My old 416si ate its aux belt and wouldnt start, put new belt on and was ok, until i wrote it off.

15th June 2017, 12:47	#1
Shide Avid contributor Rover 75 1.8T Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Ash Vale Posts: 133 Thanks: 5 Thanked 13 Times in 10 Posts	1.8T belt disaster 75, 1.8T. has thrown its drive belts. Power steering and alternator, timing belt unknown as yet. So, assuming timing belt is OK, will there be any damage caused by this caused by this, is it a straightforward job to replace them? Any help please to a harrased 75 driver who is now finding ownership becoming tedious.

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roverbarmy This is my second home Roverless + 1.7D Sportage Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: East Norfolk Posts: 7,050 Thanks: 729 Thanked 2,021 Times in 1,449 Posts	If the engine still turns over ( by hand with the plugs out to avoid damage ) you should have got away with it. The engine can run ( briefly) without the alternator and p.s./air con belts attached to test further. May be best to remove the upper cambelt cover (for the sake of undoing a few bolts) to inspect the cambelt and timing marks first. __________________ Oil in my veins!

15th June 2017, 13:22	#3
Shide Avid contributor Rover 75 1.8T Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Ash Vale Posts: 133 Thanks: 5 Thanked 13 Times in 10 Posts	Re belts Engine shut itself down immediately. When the steering went heavy I thought i'd burst a tyre. Engine turns over seemingly OK without any terrible noises but will not fire up.

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Number 6 This is my second home Rover 75 tourer Club CD/Limo Tints Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Meneac Posts: 6,759 Thanks: 5,007 Thanked 1,609 Times in 869 Posts	I do believe that when the auxillary belts shred on the K series they have a tendency to ingest themselves into the cam belt.I know that this sounds unlikley but I have seen it happen on the same engine when fitted into an MGF. If it has done that and coupled to the fact the car wont start.. I would check the cam belt before any thing else. __________________ ] "I started out with nothing, and Ive still got most of it left!"

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Shide Avid contributor Rover 75 1.8T Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Ash Vale Posts: 133 Thanks: 5 Thanked 13 Times in 10 Posts	A glimmer of hope, I removed the cam cover and the timing belt is intact (Hurrah) but she won't fire up (Boo). Has the engine management system intervened?

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Geoff130 Loves to post MG ZT 190, Rover 75 CDTi, Honda VFR 750, Honda CB550F Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Derby Posts: 393 Thanks: 75 Thanked 36 Times in 28 Posts	Same thing happened to my daughters Renault, the aux belt shredded but the cams could still be seen turning through the oil filler but driven by a half width belt. Turned over fine but zero compression.

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simondhopkins Loves to post Vauxhall Vectra C Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Burnley Posts: 445 Thanks: 179 Thanked 88 Times in 62 Posts	Put it back together, and put a new aux belt on, if the alternator is not turning, the engine wont fire up from experience. Better to pay for the belt and pop it on than strip the engine for no reason. You'll need a new belt either way so as long as no remnants of the old belt were seen in the timing belt cover you should be ok. My old 416si ate its aux belt and wouldnt start, put new belt on and was ok, until i wrote it off.