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Old 12th May 2019, 21:25   #41
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Which then begs the question "Whose cars are we going to buy?", being as every mass manufacturer seems to be reducing their UK commitments and investment significantly, and investing elsewhere.

I would guess Ford, German and French (including Vauxhall).


This is certainly how the public's mood seems to be going based on sales figures.


Total registrations for 2018

Ford Fiesta 95,892
Volkswagen Golf 64,829
Vauxhall Corsa 52,915
Nissan Qashqai 50,546
Ford Focus 50,492
Volkswagen Polo 45,149
MINI 44,904
Mercedes-Benz A-Class 43,527
Ford Kuga 40,398
Kia Sportage 35,567




Source: https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/r...t-selling-cars

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Old 12th May 2019, 21:45   #42
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Great Britain Ltd. Closed until further notice. Thanks to all concerned.
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Old 13th May 2019, 10:52   #43
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The demise of UK manufacturing is of no surprise to me at all. I worked for a Swiss based engineering group with world wide manufacturing plants. Sat around a board room in the Black Forest area of Germany I was told that being UK based with them secured the UKs arm and my future. The reasons given when questioned about the statement was that it was the policy of the EEC to move all major manufacturing out of the UK into Europe. The grand plan was that "The UK would have some small or minor manufacturers but make its money in the future from banking, finance, retail and heritage tourism".

I was told the same thing a couple of years later during a meeting with a senior executive at British Steel. He had just had to take a Brussels based European Politician on a fact finding mission around all of the then British Steel sites. This official having seen everything said "its better than I expected and better than its reputation but it matters not, none of it will exist in ten years". Asked to explain this comment he then told this executive exactly the same as I was told in Germany. And so it came to pass.

Sorry of this is to political but I had to say it, and before anyone else says it, I know other reasons can be thrown into the argument but lets face it, nothing was ever done to protect and encourage companies to invest in the UK. UK money went abroad or into finance where the profits were. I saw this so often in the 80s and 90s where great British names were stopping production to manufacture abroad on contract or close down completely because accountants said we will make more money in the finance sector. All told to me by those making the decisions. I am sure our politicians were complicit in this happening and only now are some getting the message that manufacturing our own goods is good for all of us and the panic is setting in at the consequences of now whats remaining going.
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Old 13th May 2019, 12:47   #44
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The decline in engineering is an unfortunate trend that has been going on for years. With the current and growing daily media brainwashing frenzy on climate change this will be right up the green terrorists street. Dirty, dirty Britain.

We'll all be sitting idle with no money in our pockets, but at least they can say we saved the planet by decimating our engineering prowess and punting it out to other countries, because if we cant see dirt then we must be really eco clean.
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Old 13th May 2019, 14:18   #45
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People are generally to badly educated, to gullible and to un-interested to take note of much apart from bread and circuses.
The Swedish 16 year old girl coming to tell us how to live our lives is just the most stupid thing I have seen in a long time.
It is really getting quite embarrassing.
Here is a short video putting things in perspective in a very telling manner:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/BC1l4geSTP8
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Old 13th May 2019, 19:19   #46
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The demise of UK manufacturing is of no surprise to me at all. I worked for a Swiss based engineering group with world wide manufacturing plants. Sat around a board room in the Black Forest area of Germany I was told that being UK based with them secured the UKs arm and my future. The reasons given when questioned about the statement was that it was the policy of the EEC to move all major manufacturing out of the UK into Europe. The grand plan was that "The UK would have some small or minor manufacturers but make its money in the future from banking, finance, retail and heritage tourism".
I was told exactly the same thing a fair few years ago.


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People are generally to badly educated, to gullible and to un-interested to take note of much apart from bread and circuses.
The Swedish 16 year old girl coming to tell us how to live our lives is just the most stupid thing I have seen in a long time.
It is really getting quite embarrassing.
It sure is Kaiser, it sure is.
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Old 13th May 2019, 19:51   #47
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And that's Honda closing their factory, not a good month for the UK Automotive sector
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Old 13th May 2019, 21:34   #48
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The demise of UK manufacturing is of no surprise to me at all. I worked for a Swiss based engineering group with world wide manufacturing plants. Sat around a board room in the Black Forest area of Germany I was told that being UK based with them secured the UKs arm and my future. The reasons given when questioned about the statement was that it was the policy of the EEC to move all major manufacturing out of the UK into Europe. The grand plan was that "The UK would have some small or minor manufacturers but make its money in the future from banking, finance, retail and heritage tourism".

I was told the same thing a couple of years later during a meeting with a senior executive at British Steel. He had just had to take a Brussels based European Politician on a fact finding mission around all of the then British Steel sites. This official having seen everything said "its better than I expected and better than its reputation but it matters not, none of it will exist in ten years". Asked to explain this comment he then told this executive exactly the same as I was told in Germany. And so it came to pass.

Sorry of this is to political but I had to say it, and before anyone else says it, I know other reasons can be thrown into the argument but lets face it, nothing was ever done to protect and encourage companies to invest in the UK. UK money went abroad or into finance where the profits were. I saw this so often in the 80s and 90s where great British names were stopping production to manufacture abroad on contract or close down completely because accountants said we will make more money in the finance sector. All told to me by those making the decisions. I am sure our politicians were complicit in this happening and only now are some getting the message that manufacturing our own goods is good for all of us and the panic is setting in at the consequences of now whats remaining going.

This information does not surprise me and pretty much what I have seen.
During the 1980s I worked as a Sales Engineer for a British NDT Company and visited hundreds of factories, large and small. Anything from British Steel to a specialist machine shop under a railway arch.
Since then, nearly all of them have gone.

As an example, I looked after Fords as a key account. A massive organisation then, in the UK.
Winding the clock on, it is worth noting that the last remaining Ford vehicle manufacturing plant was Southampton.
Back in 1983 I visited the Hema Gear Factory in Ankara, who were manufacturing gear components for Ford, so maybe some of the writing was on the wall back then.
Or was it because Ford were given an EU grant to shut down the manufacturing plant at Southampton and move the Transit production to Turkey?

Incidentally, the British NDT company I worked for is now German owned, and the works where I did my engineering apprenticeship, that employed 2,000 people, is flattened and is now houses and flats.

Dropping bombs could not destroy British Industry, but the more powerful politics did.
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Old 13th May 2019, 23:03   #49
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My fleet currently consists of 16 cars, 14 years to 49 years old. Whilst I can still buy diesel and petrol they will keep running, thanks to magnificent support from owners Clubs and firms. I always used to have a fairly (i.e. 3 years old ) car for daily running, but I simply cannot bring myself to buy anything of that age now. Horrible design, frightful prices, and dodgy electrics. My last daily runner bought was my 75 Tourer, and I shall keep it as long as I can.
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Old 13th May 2019, 23:05   #50
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410ppm of CO2 might seem a very small proportion of air's constituents to the uneducated, so easily bamboozled by grains of rice. But in reality, its effect in converting infra-red light to heat is dramatic in relation to its proportions. I for one now reluctantly consider the evidence incontrovertible for climate change due to man's industrial activity and needs of a rapidly increasing world population. I can't afford a new, electric car, but on the basis that as much energy is needed to make a new car as a car produces in 100,000 miles, I'm aiming to keep my old motors going for a bit longer, but using them less.
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