EU vote? - Page 71

wraymond · 16th June 2016, 19:01

In other news:

Bt.com web site story about latest poll showing 80% support for leaving was taken down just days before BT chairman emailed staff urging them to vote to remain.

Germany’s largest bank, Deutsche Bank, predicts massive growth after a Leave vote – BT and Remainers stay silent. Deutsche Bank says British stocks will be the best performing in the continent by as much as 5% after Brexit.

Doubters visit www.breitbart.com and search germanys –largest-bank (in breitbart London)

HarryM1BYT · 16th June 2016, 19:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darcydog

Referendum Campaigning is suspended as a mark of respect.

Can I sugest we do the same for 24 hours.

I assume DD means because of the sad shooting, stabbing and murder of the young Birstall West Yorkshire female MP - Jo Cox, today.

Yes please, can we suspend this discussion for the time being?

Gate Keeper · 17th June 2016, 06:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryM1BYT

I assume DD means because of the sad shooting, stabbing and murder of the young Birstall West Yorkshire female MP - Jo Cox, today.

Yes please, can we suspend this discussion for the time being?

I am in support of your decision Harry to make this request. Are you asking for the thread to be locked?

Simondi · 17th June 2016, 07:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darcydog

Referendum Campaigning is suspended as a mark of respect.

Can I sugest we do the same for 24 hours.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryM1BYT

I assume DD means because of the sad shooting, stabbing and murder of the young Birstall West Yorkshire female MP - Jo Cox, today.

Yes please, can we suspend this discussion for the time being?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gate Keeper

I am in support of your decision Harry to make this request. Are you asking for the thread to be locked?

Out of respect to Jo Cox and similar to the campaign I have closed this thread. It will be re opened once campaigning starts again.
( Please and in all seriousness if it's not reopened will someone remind me)

HarryM1BYT · 19th June 2016, 16:40

As per subject, this thread is open for postings again.

Thanks Symondi!

Simondi · 19th June 2016, 16:40

That's the thread reopened, thanks for the reminder

Polly · 19th June 2016, 18:28

Having well known supporters sometimes does more harm than good.
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wraymond · 19th June 2016, 18:34

There’s been something bugging me about a theme in this campaign that is objectionable, not on here I hasten to add. In any other context it would have raised hackles with an ‘ism’ or ‘ist’ attached to it.

I object to the supposed ‘problem’ of older generations and the assumption that they are a negative element, not progressive and ultimately unreasonably biased or unrepresentative.

It’s not just the ‘ageist’ flavour that is objectionable, it’s the preparedness to accept the view that a lifetime of awareness of the fallibilities and foibles of those that want to rule us is of less worth.

One of the few benefits that come with age and experience, although not exclusively in the olders, is to be able to see through the waffle, while the spirit of traditional values and way of life and the maturity to gently resist the exuberance of the zealots and to see it for what it is, is exactly what is needed to steady the hand on the tiller.

Few on the Leave side believe everything said by people like Farage. Yet he is the most quoted. Even fewer on the Leave side believe anything that Cameron or Osbourne say. They speak in hyperbole, appealing to the cruder click-bait generation, hoping for a knee-jerk reaction.

The Remain side speak in the same hyperbole and extoll the wisdom of 8/10 economists’ opinions formed on the back of a guess, insisting they are ‘independent’ when in fact they all receive grants from organisations or governments that are anything but independent. Tusk, EU grandee, recently complained that “Western political civilisation” is doomed, for instance!

Some of the Leave side loud-mouths, for example Farage’s latest abomination poster showing the queue of hapless desperate immigrants, appeal to the cruder instincts of the ‘lower orders’.

To find the truth or essence of the issues needs a soundness of the mind rather than the body. Neither the loudest mouth, the determinedly deaf ear, nor the blind eye has a place in this.

Gman2 · 19th June 2016, 21:12

I mentioned ages ago that if it were me I'd axe the vote for persons over a certain age as the outcome doesn't affect them - they're not going to be around if it all goes down the toilet either way. Ageism came into the Scottish vote but extended down to 16 year olds on the ticket that it was their future. The sceptics thought that it was more likely that their emotional buttons could be easier pressed for independence and sure enough they did vote the way anticipated. However those with jobs, mortgages and pensions thought differently not surprisingly.

A friend of mine told me that his grandparents asked his kids which way they should vote that I thought was very fair and far sighted (I don't know the outcome) and perhaps more should adopt this approach.

Polly · 19th June 2016, 21:53

So another senior Tory switches sides, and once again it's not because she has been persuaded by the power of the argument, but because she is offended by the material used to convey the argument. Surely if a particular outcome is the best one for the country, it would continue to be the best outcome, regardless of the method used to achieve that outcome.
I can understand why she might want to distance herself from the latest poster, just as Gove has done, but it's not as if anyone who votes leave will have join UKIP.

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wraymond This is my second home 75 Auto 2.5 SE Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Westcliff on Sea Posts: 5,213 Thanks: 423 Thanked 1,680 Times in 1,014 Posts	There’s been something bugging me about a theme in this campaign that is objectionable, not on here I hasten to add. In any other context it would have raised hackles with an ‘ism’ or ‘ist’ attached to it. I object to the supposed ‘problem’ of older generations and the assumption that they are a negative element, not progressive and ultimately unreasonably biased or unrepresentative. It’s not just the ‘ageist’ flavour that is objectionable, it’s the preparedness to accept the view that a lifetime of awareness of the fallibilities and foibles of those that want to rule us is of less worth. One of the few benefits that come with age and experience, although not exclusively in the olders, is to be able to see through the waffle, while the spirit of traditional values and way of life and the maturity to gently resist the exuberance of the zealots and to see it for what it is, is exactly what is needed to steady the hand on the tiller. Few on the Leave side believe everything said by people like Farage. Yet he is the most quoted. Even fewer on the Leave side believe anything that Cameron or Osbourne say. They speak in hyperbole, appealing to the cruder click-bait generation, hoping for a knee-jerk reaction. The Remain side speak in the same hyperbole and extoll the wisdom of 8/10 economists’ opinions formed on the back of a guess, insisting they are ‘independent’ when in fact they all receive grants from organisations or governments that are anything but independent. Tusk, EU grandee, recently complained that “Western political civilisation” is doomed, for instance! Some of the Leave side loud-mouths, for example Farage’s latest abomination poster showing the queue of hapless desperate immigrants, appeal to the cruder instincts of the ‘lower orders’. To find the truth or essence of the issues needs a soundness of the mind rather than the body. Neither the loudest mouth, the determinedly deaf ear, nor the blind eye has a place in this. __________________ member no. 235

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Gman2 Posted a thing or two ZTT+ 1.8T, mgf 1.8 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Warrington Posts: 1,550 Thanks: 28 Thanked 65 Times in 42 Posts	I mentioned ages ago that if it were me I'd axe the vote for persons over a certain age as the outcome doesn't affect them - they're not going to be around if it all goes down the toilet either way. Ageism came into the Scottish vote but extended down to 16 year olds on the ticket that it was their future. The sceptics thought that it was more likely that their emotional buttons could be easier pressed for independence and sure enough they did vote the way anticipated. However those with jobs, mortgages and pensions thought differently not surprisingly. A friend of mine told me that his grandparents asked his kids which way they should vote that I thought was very fair and far sighted (I don't know the outcome) and perhaps more should adopt this approach. Last edited by Gman2; 19th June 2016 at 21:16..

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Polly Posted a thing or two MG ZT 260 SE, ZS120, ZR105 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Peterhead Posts: 1,375 Thanks: 203 Thanked 350 Times in 241 Posts	So another senior Tory switches sides, and once again it's not because she has been persuaded by the power of the argument, but because she is offended by the material used to convey the argument. Surely if a particular outcome is the best one for the country, it would continue to be the best outcome, regardless of the method used to achieve that outcome. I can understand why she might want to distance herself from the latest poster, just as Gove has done, but it's not as if anyone who votes leave will have join UKIP. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk