New clutch, worse problems - Page 7

FrenchMike · 12th April 2013, 07:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by bubs

the same as I have now but not as worse.
- slight slippage of clutch
- gears notchy and not going into reverse when warmed up
- heavy clutch pedal
- low biting point

all seemed to be OK for a few days after clutch and slave replacement but have started again after using the car 2 days and made no better with new master

Slave incorrectly seated ?

IMG_0387.jpg

andy willi · 12th April 2013, 08:11

having now read all on this i think you have fitted the wrong clutch you need to remove it and then call me i can point you in the right direction

andy

bubs · 12th April 2013, 08:15

thanks again for the input, I'm at the end of the line with this really. how could I tell if the clutch is incorrect, it was different to my old one but I assumed that was down to the springs

andy willi · 12th April 2013, 09:11

just call me

andy

pm sent

butty · 12th April 2013, 23:11

Is there a possibility that the friction plate has been fitted wrong way round? My mate did that and the symptoms were the same - stiff pedal and not disengaging properly. Was a diffrent car, but it could be similar?

mh007 · 13th April 2013, 09:20

I suspected the centre plate in the wrong way around too but the OP said the clutch improved for a few days after fitting a new master cylinder.

If the plate was in the wrong way around, it would be like it from the start & not change.

I can see where you're coming from though.

It definately seems like the box needs to be removed again.

DMGRS · 13th April 2013, 09:37

No chance it's a faulty master?

Billy1mate · 13th April 2013, 09:48

Bubs, I know this will not help you but whatever the outcome is will be of great benefit to other forum members. Hopefully you'll soon be reflecting on this with a cuppa and not at the end of your tether as you currently are.

bubs · 13th April 2013, 18:15

thanks for the suggestions, the friction plate comes attached to the spring plate so cannot be put in the wrong way thankfully.

Update on progress.
After managing to get the car into gear once warm, i limped it my parents house yesterday and stripped the car down. Andy was kind enough to let me call him and pick his brains as to what i should be expecting and offered to have a look at my findings when i get inside.
This morning I managed to get to inside the bell housing. On first glance the slave face seems to have broken away from the back section.

I thought it may have done that when I was taking the gearbox out but when I took the slave out it looks like the spring has been burning into the plastic on the side of the face which could only happen with the engine running. The little clips on the side of the back section seem to have rounded off and not holding the face on.

I bugged Andy again and checked that the clutch plate I had was for a diesel so I'm in the process of putting it back together. The clutch pedal seems to be more "springy" now and not as hard as before so i'm hoping it's ok and the problem was a failed slave.

mh007 · 13th April 2013, 21:26

The centre plate/drive plate can indeed be put in the wrong way around as one side (centre boss) protrudes more than the other.

Glad you found the problem though, good luck with refitting.

13th April 2013, 18:15	#69
bubs Posted a thing or two ROVER 75 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Canvey Island, Essex Posts: 1,651 Thanks: 43 Thanked 163 Times in 134 Posts	thanks for the suggestions, the friction plate comes attached to the spring plate so cannot be put in the wrong way thankfully. Update on progress. After managing to get the car into gear once warm, i limped it my parents house yesterday and stripped the car down. Andy was kind enough to let me call him and pick his brains as to what i should be expecting and offered to have a look at my findings when i get inside. This morning I managed to get to inside the bell housing. On first glance the slave face seems to have broken away from the back section. I thought it may have done that when I was taking the gearbox out but when I took the slave out it looks like the spring has been burning into the plastic on the side of the face which could only happen with the engine running. The little clips on the side of the back section seem to have rounded off and not holding the face on. I bugged Andy again and checked that the clutch plate I had was for a diesel so I'm in the process of putting it back together. The clutch pedal seems to be more "springy" now and not as hard as before so i'm hoping it's ok and the problem was a failed slave. Last edited by bubs; 13th April 2013 at 18:17..

12th April 2013, 08:11	#62
andy willi I really should get out more....... PRE LAUNCH 75/ZT 190/XJ 550 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: carcroft doncaster Posts: 2,866 Thanks: 101 Thanked 680 Times in 342 Posts	having now read all on this i think you have fitted the wrong clutch you need to remove it and then call me i can point you in the right direction andy

12th April 2013, 08:15	#63
bubs Posted a thing or two ROVER 75 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Canvey Island, Essex Posts: 1,651 Thanks: 43 Thanked 163 Times in 134 Posts	thanks again for the input, I'm at the end of the line with this really. how could I tell if the clutch is incorrect, it was different to my old one but I assumed that was down to the springs

12th April 2013, 09:11	#64
andy willi I really should get out more....... PRE LAUNCH 75/ZT 190/XJ 550 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: carcroft doncaster Posts: 2,866 Thanks: 101 Thanked 680 Times in 342 Posts	just call me andy pm sent

12th April 2013, 23:11	#65
butty Regular poster MG ZT 190+ Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Stockton-On-Tees Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Is there a possibility that the friction plate has been fitted wrong way round? My mate did that and the symptoms were the same - stiff pedal and not disengaging properly. Was a diffrent car, but it could be similar?

13th April 2013, 09:20	#66
mh007 This is my second home MG ZT260 SE, MG ZT190+, MG ZTT 160, R75 Conn SE 2.0, R75 Conn SE 2.5 X 3, R75 Club SE 1.8, P5B Coupe Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Keynsham, Bristol Posts: 4,211 Thanks: 65 Thanked 635 Times in 499 Posts	I suspected the centre plate in the wrong way around too but the OP said the clutch improved for a few days after fitting a new master cylinder. If the plate was in the wrong way around, it would be like it from the start & not change. I can see where you're coming from though. It definately seems like the box needs to be removed again.

13th April 2013, 09:37	#67
DMGRS Discount MG Rover Spares Rover 75 CDTi, 2x MG ZS180 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Hythe, Southampton Posts: 11,354 Thanks: 456 Thanked 3,377 Times in 2,027 Posts	No chance it's a faulty master?

13th April 2013, 09:48	#68
Billy1mate Posted a thing or two 120d M Sport Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Sunny Weymouth Posts: 1,815 Thanks: 153 Thanked 142 Times in 121 Posts	Bubs, I know this will not help you but whatever the outcome is will be of great benefit to other forum members. Hopefully you'll soon be reflecting on this with a cuppa and not at the end of your tether as you currently are.

13th April 2013, 21:26	#70
mh007 This is my second home MG ZT260 SE, MG ZT190+, MG ZTT 160, R75 Conn SE 2.0, R75 Conn SE 2.5 X 3, R75 Club SE 1.8, P5B Coupe Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Keynsham, Bristol Posts: 4,211 Thanks: 65 Thanked 635 Times in 499 Posts	The centre plate/drive plate can indeed be put in the wrong way around as one side (centre boss) protrudes more than the other. Glad you found the problem though, good luck with refitting.