2030 new fossil fuel cars roll back - 2035 - Page 4

daveo138 · 9th May 2024, 18:27

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Originally Posted by Lancpudn

So it begins! Ford warns of price rises to their petrol & diesel cars to hit their ZEV mandate, They don't sell many EV's in Blighty so hitting their 22% of cars sold need to be electric to hit their ZEV target is going to be impossible to say the least.
Vauxhall, Peugeot and Citroen, also warned it could restrict sales of cars in the UK in response to the ZEV mandate.
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/for...hit-zev-target

Ford’s strategy will have two obvious outcomes, either it will force people to buy their EVs, or drive them into other manufacturers’ showrooms.

bl52krz · 9th May 2024, 20:06

Spineless manufacturers. The way the car industry is going, there will be none in 20 years time, unless someone has the guts to stop the stupid mass drive to a strategic defeat for car manufacturers. Who will be the first manufacturer to throw down the gauntlet to governments I wonder. Anyone have an inkling?

bl52krz · 9th May 2024, 20:50

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Originally Posted by KWIL

Is this realistic or merely an acceptance that the enough support infrastructure will/cannot be in place in time for E cars?

It is all very well trying to keep the moral highground on climate change, but many of the aims such as heat pumps will not be met because of the total lack of sufficient people to install them, even if desireable or practical.

Plus the fact, from what I have read, the noise factor from them, plus not really efficient are they. Another money spinner for the people who make them.

CDT Player · 10th May 2024, 00:19

If the Government continues with this ridiculous ZEV mandate I can see manufacturers pulling out of the UK entirely. We've already seen Chrysler, Chevrolet, Daihatsu and Mitsubishi pulling out of the UK in recent years, I expect others may follow.

Lancpudn · 10th May 2024, 07:07

It's going to be much harder for Ford as they sell a lot of ICE vans, They've had to put a bigger battery in their Transit-E van this year to hopefully sell more. It's not just car manufacturers under the cosh.

HGV truck manufacturers will come under the same CO2 emission standards mandate next year for the first time ever, It will be really hard to clean up that sector & expensive to boot, buses have to be decarbonised entirely.

https://www.transportenvironment.org...-co2-standards

SCP440 · 10th May 2024, 08:29

A good friend who has a business car and is lucky to be given a budget and if he wants to top this up he can so basically he can have almost anything he wants, the company also pay the servicing as 75% of his mileage is work related.
Anyway he is in the market for a new car, he has been to Ford and basically was told they have nothing left in ICE in the next month or so but plenty of EV's. He has been to several other manufacturers and has been told a similar story. Finally out of desperation he has gone to BMW and ordered a top spec 3 series with the 3.0 Engine, none in stock in the UK but it will be here in 3 to 4 weeks factory fresh so he can choose everything. How are BMW getting away with it?
Personally I reckon the 2035 will be pushed back another few years when who ever is in power can see new car sales declining and the infrastructure is not ready for the EV's revolution. Hmm.

Lancpudn · 10th May 2024, 08:58

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Originally Posted by SCP440

A good friend who has a business car and is lucky to be given a budget and if he wants to top this up he can so basically he can have almost anything he wants, the company also pay the servicing as 75% of his mileage is work related.
Anyway he is in the market for a new car, he has been to Ford and basically was told they have nothing left in ICE in the next month or so but plenty of EV's. He has been to several other manufacturers and has been told a similar story. Finally out of desperation he has gone to BMW and ordered a top spec 3 series with the 3.0 Engine, none in stock in the UK but it will be here in 3 to 4 weeks factory fresh so he can choose everything. How are BMW getting away with it?
Personally I reckon the 2035 will be pushed back another few years when who ever is in power can see new car sales declining and the infrastructure is not ready for the EV's revolution. Hmm.

BMW's EV sales are pretty healthy & they can still sell a certain amount of ICE cars.
Most other auto manufacturers have been told to sell EV's first & foremost otherwise the fines per ICE cars oversold will pile up.

wraymond · 10th May 2024, 10:41

Some of us saw this looming on the horizon. The thing about economists and bankers is they know a lot about increasing and guaranteeing profits but precious little about the public's ability to pay for them. The threats are emerging with increased projected penalties for non-compliance.

Above all, our tiny island is still living in an Empire rather than a tiny offshore supplicant of the USA. Our apparent delusions of grandeur are turning this tiny heavenly Isle into a suicidal money trap.

Those of us who are of a certain maturity should be taking care of the future for our family descendants while we can. The peasants are revolting!

Retap · 10th May 2024, 11:32

E cars are a folly this net zero agenda will collapse under its own weight in a little more time just like the covid scam is coming out now in real time. I'm sure we all know it but just in case some folks still believe man made climate change is going to do bad things think again and look at this graphic, CO2 on Earth is at all time low, if it goes much lower there is a risk life will begin to die out on this planet since C02 is the gas of life and nothing lives without it it is essential as equal as oxygen to life. Ask weed farmers and such who increase CO2 to increase plant yield i.e. it makes things grow bigger and stronger.

grivas · 13th May 2024, 12:48

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Originally Posted by bl52krz

The reason the impossible dream is being rolled back is because of the inordinate costs to your pocket, and the overall economy. You have not heard the last of the rolling back of this stupid idea that this silly little island we live on can make a difference to so called global warming. King Canute comes to mind. I would like to know how much this gormless idea has cost, and will continue to cost you and me. My Rovers will be with me until I turn into a fairy ( oohhh Mrs).

Freedom of Information request?, if you think you can trust the information you might get back as being accurate!.

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bl52krz This is my second home Rover 75 cdt club + Rover 2.5 KV6 Conni SE Join Date: May 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 11,420 Thanks: 6,587 Thanked 2,262 Times in 1,729 Posts	Spineless manufacturers. The way the car industry is going, there will be none in 20 years time, unless someone has the guts to stop the stupid mass drive to a strategic defeat for car manufacturers. Who will be the first manufacturer to throw down the gauntlet to governments I wonder. Anyone have an inkling? __________________ Great Barr, Birmingham.

10th May 2024, 07:07	#35
Lancpudn This is my second home MG ZS EV Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Lancashire Posts: 15,695 Thanks: 4,591 Thanked 3,427 Times in 2,565 Posts	It's going to be much harder for Ford as they sell a lot of ICE vans, They've had to put a bigger battery in their Transit-E van this year to hopefully sell more. It's not just car manufacturers under the cosh. HGV truck manufacturers will come under the same CO2 emission standards mandate next year for the first time ever, It will be really hard to clean up that sector & expensive to boot, buses have to be decarbonised entirely. https://www.transportenvironment.org...-co2-standards __________________ Blessed are the tea makers. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3b...auto-2000_auto Last edited by Lancpudn; 10th May 2024 at 07:27..

10th May 2024, 10:41	#38
wraymond This is my second home 75 Auto 2.5 SE Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Westcliff on Sea Posts: 5,207 Thanks: 423 Thanked 1,680 Times in 1,014 Posts	Some of us saw this looming on the horizon. The thing about economists and bankers is they know a lot about increasing and guaranteeing profits but precious little about the public's ability to pay for them. The threats are emerging with increased projected penalties for non-compliance. Above all, our tiny island is still living in an Empire rather than a tiny offshore supplicant of the USA. Our apparent delusions of grandeur are turning this tiny heavenly Isle into a suicidal money trap. Those of us who are of a certain maturity should be taking care of the future for our family descendants while we can. The peasants are revolting! __________________ member no. 235

10th May 2024, 11:32	#39
Retap Loves to post MG ZT-T CDTi Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Lincs Posts: 300 Thanks: 73 Thanked 51 Times in 44 Posts	NET ZERO is a political scam E cars are a folly this net zero agenda will collapse under its own weight in a little more time just like the covid scam is coming out now in real time. I'm sure we all know it but just in case some folks still believe man made climate change is going to do bad things think again and look at this graphic, CO2 on Earth is at all time low, if it goes much lower there is a risk life will begin to die out on this planet since C02 is the gas of life and nothing lives without it it is essential as equal as oxygen to life. Ask weed farmers and such who increase CO2 to increase plant yield i.e. it makes things grow bigger and stronger. __________________ ZT-T Mk2 Jobs to do: Renew auxiliary drive belt # Replace driver door lock actuator # Refurbish wheels

10th May 2024, 00:19	#34
CDT Player Avid contributor Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: West Wales Posts: 102 Thanks: 16 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	If the Government continues with this ridiculous ZEV mandate I can see manufacturers pulling out of the UK entirely. We've already seen Chrysler, Chevrolet, Daihatsu and Mitsubishi pulling out of the UK in recent years, I expect others may follow.

10th May 2024, 08:29	#36
SCP440 I really should get out more....... MG ZT-T 260 Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Witney Posts: 2,507 Thanks: 6 Thanked 910 Times in 571 Posts	A good friend who has a business car and is lucky to be given a budget and if he wants to top this up he can so basically he can have almost anything he wants, the company also pay the servicing as 75% of his mileage is work related. Anyway he is in the market for a new car, he has been to Ford and basically was told they have nothing left in ICE in the next month or so but plenty of EV's. He has been to several other manufacturers and has been told a similar story. Finally out of desperation he has gone to BMW and ordered a top spec 3 series with the 3.0 Engine, none in stock in the UK but it will be here in 3 to 4 weeks factory fresh so he can choose everything. How are BMW getting away with it? Personally I reckon the 2035 will be pushed back another few years when who ever is in power can see new car sales declining and the infrastructure is not ready for the EV's revolution. Hmm.