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27th April 2019, 21:29 | #41 |
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I agree totally with that. As you know well Brian , in the 5 years I had the first 75, it had 3 slave cylinders, 2 masters and 2 friction and pressure plates. 1 dmf and when I sold it the dmf was in needx of replacement again. Was luk parts that were fitted first time, but the fitter I'm sure damaged something in the gearbox, otherwise why did the slave fail within 8 months, the oil seal after 15 months, then the slave and master 18 months later??
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Thanks Pete. I meant to say slave and clutch; the master is fine as I replaced it late last year.
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I had Andy Willie change the MC because Trikey was too far away, the car immobile and Andy lives within reasonable traveling distance and offered to come and help me out. I asked him what product I should replace it with and was looking at a TAZU, and I quote. "There's no difference in the quality and life span of any of the suppliers. I've seen your issues lots of times and no one maker is better than the other in my experience. I've had Tazu's fail out of the box and the rest, one's as good as the other. Stick with the LUK it won't be any better or worse". This is the reason I base my position, on the information gathered by our trusted trader members, (mainly Russell's) experiences, as well as my own. Taking advise from experts on where do I get a reliable supplier so that I have a usable reliable car, and told you will not find one. Unlike yourself who has only his own opinions that he likes to express on many subjects. So to repeat myself, I looked into all the evidence and information before I decided on a product, including knowledge gained rom working with and supplying two clutch manufacturers, before choosing again LUK. I didn't base my position on one sample and asked the best experts and came up with my reasoning heavily influenced by them. Hope that answers your criticisms of me and see that I have a good approach to this subject The quality of the parts manufactured for these clutches are of a very questionable quality and manufacturers badly let down their customers who pay out good money and then its pot luck if you get a substandard or good product. This is undoubtable causing good cars to go to the scrappy and owners like me giving up on their cars. Last edited by RobSun; 28th April 2019 at 10:45.. |
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I can only speak from experience, I've certainly not fitted as many clutches as some, but certainly have fitted them as they should have been fitted There is only one "specialist trader" or former trader in this area, who's methods are questionable at best, downright shoddy at worst, but there are too many variables to place blame at the door of one manufacturer. But you have to admit, there must be a quality discrepancy between a clutch kit costing £32 and one costing £180. Brian P.S. having owned a diesel automatic, arguably the most sought after combination, I would never have another, in fact I turned down a couple of weeks ago a very nice example of a ZT diesel for free, based upon the fact it was an automatic. |
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28th April 2019, 13:12 | #46 | |
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Just to add to Brian's post, I think you are reaching the incorrect conclusion based on the information in your possession. Personally, for our cars there is only one kit that I would trust - that is Luk. I would not trust any of the others. The others are all suppliers of parts that are either manufactured by someone else or do not have the breadth and depth of experience (heritage) in designing/testing clutch parts. Luk will have a failure rate, like all engineering products do, but this will be very low compared with all the generic items of unkown origin. |
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I don't know your background but I know mine and it includes extensive work with engineering groups who manufacturer parts for the motor industry.. Both the original companies, original suppliers and generic suppliers. These generic suppliers are often the original suppliers, sometimes its the other way round. Often parts like seals came from one supplier so a fault in their runs effect all. In some case and more often than you think one place manufactured on contract and supplied the generic parts and the original suppliers parts. Often my company. I've seen Saab, Rover and Ford parts, all made in the same plant and ending up with the end prices ranging from for example 40 GDP to 109 GDP dependent on the parts suppliers box its in. As the number of cars falls and so the part production rates fall prices go up. People will not pay so to keep supplying the production goes out to tender to the cheapest supplier. Then you get the price you want to pay but quality falls. Simple really, and that's what' I believe is happening here and with other components. I own classic cars and this is a big problem here. Parts are cheap because people do not want to pay the real cost of quality and then complain when they need to be replaced regularly. This is what's starting to happen with MGR parts. You so far like many others have been fortunate with the quality, a large number of us haven't, and it's a significant number.. You may have an opinion based on your experience that LUK can be relied upon, an opinion I had also.. Facts and evidence provided to me changed my mind it's pot luck where you get these clutch parts from, the iffy quality seems to be the same from all of them where MGR clutches are concerned.my conclusions based on the facts I posses are correct. |
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Not because of the clutch, but in general.
These cars are not in their first flush of youth, and unless you are proficient with the spanners, or have deep pockets, they are not a particularly good runaround. Having said all that, I own three, and look after a couple more on a regular basis, and when they are kept well they are very nice. However you should be aware as all that glitters is not gold, and cars which look presentable on top, often look like they've been dredged up from the bottom of the ocean underneath, and that is where it becomes a pain to keep on top of things. Brian |
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I guess I must be doing something horribly wrong as I just do not have any of the problems that it appears would stop you from purchasing a manual 75/ZT as advised by your experts. I will reiterate that your view about the quality of generic parts vs those from manufacturers with an engineering heritage and OEM presence is fundamentally flawed. |
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