Long overdue .

[Dashiel]

Originally Posted by sikelsh

Do you accept that without pens, more if not all would have survived?

Complete smokescreen and whitewash. 'It was pens so it was the hooligans, and hooligans are football supporters'. Straight from the pages of The Sun. I particularly like the way you start to quantify acceptable deaths 'more if not all would have survived'. Even 1 death is unacceptable, let alone 96. I think i am talikng to kelvin mckenzie, it only took him 23 years to accept he was wrong. In kelvins case, When you get all of your thoughts out of the 'little red book' of thatcherism, it takes a lot to change your mind.

If you squeeze thousands into a venue then anything can happen, pens or not.
There have been many crushes at football over the years, and lots of them have been at the entrances and stairways and corridoors of the venue. Often caused by people simply falling over, thereby creating a barrier. Or parts of the building failing due to overcrowding. Pens in those cases had absolutely nothing to do with those incidents whatsoever. What did cause trouble in all cases was inadequate crowd control leading to overcrowding.

At any event, area, no matter how good or bad the facility is, if you squeeze people in then anything can happen.