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12th February 2010, 19:15 | #1 |
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FBH The end of the SAGA ?
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I came upon this Forum 3 years ago after my in tank fuel pump broke. I found advice here to have my pump quickly and cheaply repaired. I too also had the strange Fuel Burning Heater (FBH) behaviour caused by the K bus. (Which I have since disconnected.) As a regular reader, I have noted lots of threads about FBH issues and in particular that the PCB was reported as being non repairable. The cold days made me inclined to study the question. I began by trying to collect information about the circuit diagram etc, (not very easy) At first I thought the Interface IC bus was the culprit. I ordered the genuine interface IC bus (ELMOS 10026B) from Hong-Kong, but one month later, nothing ;they forgot to ship Meantime, I bought the Riesler interface Bus describe by Keith Alexander . I discovered than his Interface Bus IC was a (Melexis TH3122) similar and more easy to get. Next, I built up a test bench and established communication between my laptop and the Webasto PCB. However, there was a combustion air fan error. (running at max speed). Tracing the PCB ‘tracks’, I discovered than the power Mosfet’driver was always ON although the Micro bus line concerned was live .The link is in fact a SMD (surface mounted) resistor well hidden under a kind of sticky sealant (looks like meringue.) The resistor was marked 4.75 kOhms but my multimeter showed infinite ! Strange ,I had rarely seen that before in my professional live. Anyway, I quickly replaced it and …..everything worked ….. I opened a new thread on the forums to tell the news. So, the only possible cause, was that the resistors were being attacked by a chemical agent from that paste (meringue). (can you imagine how many Webastos this may have affected all over the world !!) I would like to freely publicise this valuable information, in the true spirit of the ‘Forum’ and it’s ethos of sharing information. Most members will be able to do the work for themselves ( or know a man that can!). However, I can do the repair for others who don’t feel like tackling the job themselves TOOLS NEEDED: Low power soldering iron with thin tip correctly earthed. Table magnifier, Solder SM (surface mounted) resistors 4.7 Kohm ; 47Kohm PROCEDURE Extract the PCB from the FBH (5 screws) Pic 1 Remove that sticky white paste and clean the area to show the resistors. Take a measurement of them: two 4.75 Kohm and one 47 Kohm. Pic2 If possible, built a test bench for checking out all the parameters before fitting on car. Pic3 Results Pic4 Enjoy your warmer car :lol: Mike Last edited by Dragrad; 22nd January 2016 at 00:31.. |
12th February 2010, 19:27 | #2 |
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Great work Mike
I will look forward to having a go at the repair, mines fine at the moment (touch wood) but there's quite a few members I know that have faulty ones. Thanks for sharing your findings. Russ
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Do you still do PCB repairs? |
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excellent work there - well done
need to check mine - it starts up but doesnt get hot so will to do some testing and see if i have chance this weekend to see what the fault is |
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So no Semiconductors failed then? Excellent Work Sir !
Hundreds of units must have been scrapped due to these resistors failing. Amstrad products used to fail for the same reasons...................... The corrosive Glue I used to repair Amstrad Satellites till 3 AM sometimes as they dropped like flies just after the Guarantee ended BTW standard 1/4 Watt resistors with legs could probably be used if there is space. So don't worry about trying to source the exact surface mount components They will solder on the the SM lands.
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Frenchmike, this is fantastic news as I found my failed FBH too big as a paperweight and hopeless as an anchor, well done!
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12th February 2010, 21:33 | #8 |
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great work .....
fantastic work , people like you are a credit to this site . It just shows that things can be brought back to life , i wonder how many fbh have been scrapped when all was needed was some tlc. This is what this site is all about ....... spot on....
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this is a remarkable breakthrough, well done !
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we have all benefited from advice on here, and i am sure we would all like to repay for the advice given for free. the job you have carried out has been an eye opener for all those with failed fbh. long may the athos of free advice continue. could this be put in the "how to" section mods. please.
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