|
||
|
|
11th August 2016, 15:09 | #1 |
Avid contributor
MG ZT-T Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: larryr123 - Biddenham, Bedfordshire
Posts: 224
Thanks: 27
Thanked 19 Times in 17 Posts
|
ABS Problem MG ZT-T
Hi -- I have an MG ZT-T CDti Diesel. Developed an ABS brake pedal judder problem recently and struggling to clear it.
ABS light came on 2 weeks ago and speedo failed. Unplugged ABS fuse and cleaned it and reinstalled it - worked OK, then did it again. Same procedure cleared it. Since then the ABS light has stayed off but experienced brake pedal judder on braking, as the ABS is coming in erroneously. I confirmed it was an ABS problem by removing fuse again and braking went back to normal, no judder. Replaced sensor on front right, thinking this would be the cause of an intermittent fault causing the speedo to go off in the first place. Still had judder at various braking speeds, so took it to garage to be tested. £40 lighter, there was no definite conclusion. Static test showed fault on front right and one on rear right. Cleared faults and took it for a test. Retested it and faults didn't show. Also tried a wheel by wheel test rotating the wheels and recording the variation in voltage - no abnormalities found, they all showed voltages that rose and fell pretty much the same. Next step - took off rear hubs (that have integrated ABS reluctor rings), cleaned up the rusty back plates (told these could cause the problem), cleaned stub axles and the hubs. Reassembled and it was much improved, ABS not kicking in on general driving, however, it still kicks in at very low speed, almost a few miles per hour. I noticed on the rear Hubs, one hub had what looked like a brass ring on the outside with oval holes cut out at intervals - I assumed this was the reluctor ring, but there wasn't one on the rear nearside hub. Does this make a difference, i.e. is this brass ring the actual magnetic reluctor ring or is it actually embedded into the hub? As it's been working fine since hubs were last changed in October 2014, I'm at a loss to know what to do next and what could be causing this to judder at low speeds, and yet no ABS light is coming on and no faults recorded. I guess the ABS is working OK but the signals going back to the ABS control unit are such that it thinks the wheel is locking, but only at low speeds. Any help welcome. |
11th August 2016, 15:40 | #2 |
This is my second home
None Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: None
Posts: 5,556
Thanks: 465
Thanked 1,161 Times in 924 Posts
|
I've got the same symptoms, a very low speed grind. No abs light on at all, sensors changed etc. Will have to remove the rear hubs and clean up (again). Could be the mag ring on the bearing, weak or damaged I suppose.
|
11th August 2016, 16:05 | #3 |
Avid contributor
MG ZT-T Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: larryr123 - Biddenham, Bedfordshire
Posts: 224
Thanks: 27
Thanked 19 Times in 17 Posts
|
Hi Heddy, is the mag ring visible on the outside of the back of the hub when you take it off, or is it embedded inside the hub and you can't see it?
I'm still confused as to why the rear right hub has a brass ring visible on the outside with regular oval cut outs that coincide with position of the sensor on the back plate, yet the hub on the rear near side doesn't have this ring at all. The system has been working for 2 years with both these hubs on until now, so completely confused as to what's what. LR |
11th August 2016, 17:23 | #4 |
same car since 2005
2001 Rover 75 2.0 v6 Connoisseur Saloon Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Ellesmere Port , Cheshire
Posts: 3,818
Thanks: 379
Thanked 549 Times in 466 Posts
|
Depending on the manufacturer , some hubs have the cover ring you describe and some don't . Not a problem ; I'm running one of each kind
__________________
Who said it was simples ? |
11th August 2016, 18:00 | #5 |
Avid contributor
MG ZT-T Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: larryr123 - Biddenham, Bedfordshire
Posts: 224
Thanks: 27
Thanked 19 Times in 17 Posts
|
Thanks Chris, that's one off the list -- any idea what could still be causing the ABS to kick in at low speed. I also took the battery and casing out to check the ABS computer plug was dry. I still couldn't get to it but it was as dry as a bone around that area, and the plenum's are dry. Also I guess if there was an electrical fault, this should trigger the ABS warning light. Since mine is not lighting up, I'm still looking toward a reluctor ring problem. I'm hoping it's not the front bearings as they are not fun to take off and replace -- the rear hubs are a doddle in comparison.
|
11th August 2016, 18:05 | #6 |
This is my second home
None Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: None
Posts: 5,556
Thanks: 465
Thanked 1,161 Times in 924 Posts
|
Here's a good pic of a rear hub, mouse over to enlarge, the brown mag ring is in between the hole for the spindle and the outside. Mine has deteriorated mefinks.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MG-ZT-T-MG...4AAOxyLm9TFbnJ |
11th August 2016, 18:18 | #7 | |
This is my second home
75 Contemporary SE Mk II 2004 Man. Sal. CDTi 135ps, FBH on red diesel, WinCE6 DD Join Date: May 2010
Location: Leeds
Posts: 17,273
Thanks: 2,160
Thanked 2,061 Times in 1,586 Posts
|
Quote:
It is NOT just a matter of checking the voltages, but of marking the tyre where the voltage changes. A light coloured crayon, with a brick or similar as a fixed marker works well. That ensures that a full continuous set of changes of voltages/ pulses appear around the circumference of the wheel/tyre. You may need to repeat it several times to be sure the pulses appear without fail. The judder happens when pulses signals fail to appear, when they are expected. Most likely they will be missed at lower speeds, hence the low speed judder you are experiencing. T4 and other diagnostics will not see it as a fault, because it is doing more or less what it is supposed to be doing - generating mostly regular pulses.
__________________
Harry How To's and items I offer for free, or just to cover the cost of my expenses... http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...40#post1764540 Fix a poor handbrake; DIY ABS diagnostic unit; Loan of the spanner needed to change the CDT belts; free OBD diagnostics +MAF; Correct Bosch MAF cheap; DVB-T install in an ex-hi-line system; DD install with a HK amp; FBH servicing. I've taken a vow of poverty. To annoy me, send money. Last edited by HarryM1BYT; 11th August 2016 at 18:25.. |
|
11th August 2016, 18:58 | #8 | ||
same car since 2005
2001 Rover 75 2.0 v6 Connoisseur Saloon Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Ellesmere Port , Cheshire
Posts: 3,818
Thanks: 379
Thanked 549 Times in 466 Posts
|
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
Who said it was simples ? Last edited by chris75; 11th August 2016 at 19:17.. |
||
12th August 2016, 05:27 | #9 | ||
This is my second home
Rover 75 CDT Manual Connoisseur SE, Rover 75 CDT Automatic Connoisseur SE & a Freelander Td4. Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 11,585
Thanks: 3,470
Thanked 3,119 Times in 2,247 Posts
|
Quote:
Quote:
Last edited by Mike Noc; 12th August 2016 at 06:16.. |
||
12th August 2016, 05:31 | #10 | |
Avid contributor
MG ZT-T Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: larryr123 - Biddenham, Bedfordshire
Posts: 224
Thanks: 27
Thanked 19 Times in 17 Posts
|
Quote:
Regards Larry |
|
|
|