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stevestrat 10th November 2019 15:59

No respect!
 
Some idiot has been arrested after letting off fireworks during the two minutes silence and playing of the last post at the Remembrance Day ceremony at the cenotaph in Eccles, Salford. The veterans at the ceremony were ready to lynch him before the Police intervened.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ester-50367340

trikey 10th November 2019 16:37

Damn police, they should have beggared off for a coffee for half an hour.

Darcydog 10th November 2019 18:03

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Originally Posted by stevestrat (Post 2774703)
Some idiot has been arrested after letting off fireworks during the two minutes silence and playing of the last post at the Remembrance Day ceremony at the cenotaph in Eccles, Salford. The veterans at the ceremony were ready to lynch him before the Police intervened.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ester-50367340

So, we have a group of squatters who show ultimate disrespect and have to be rescued and protected by the police.........

Some may call that irony - I would call it something else.

Lancpudn 10th November 2019 18:20

:devil: Dregs of society, Sadly there seems to be a never ending stream of em.


I saw this video today of some m0r0n dousing 8 police officers with petrol,Beggers belief! At least this idi0t has been jailed.



BoroRover 10th November 2019 19:26

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Originally Posted by stevestrat (Post 2774703)
Some idiot has been arrested after letting off fireworks during the two minutes silence and playing of the last post at the Remembrance Day ceremony at the cenotaph in Eccles, Salford. The veterans at the ceremony were ready to lynch him before the Police intervened.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ester-50367340

I have no words that would adequately describe the loathing I feel towards those who would do such abominable acts on so solemn an occasion. :mad::mad::mad:

RPWC 10th November 2019 19:52

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Originally Posted by BoroRover (Post 2774787)
I have no words that would adequately describe the loathing I feel towards those who would do such abominable acts on so solemn an occasion. :mad::mad::mad:

Echoed , he should be released on bail and publicly named and shamed. Let the veterans kick 7 shades of s&$%= out of him.

trikey 10th November 2019 20:22

We stood in the garden this morning for the two minutes silence, the road that runs past our house was as busy as usual, I just wish the whole country would stop and pay their respects.

Its two minutes FFS, have some respect for the people who gave you the freedom you take for granted.

DerekS 10th November 2019 21:51

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Originally Posted by trikey (Post 2774807)
We stood in the garden this morning for the two minutes silence, the road that runs past our house was as busy as usual, I just wish the whole country would stop and pay their respects.

Its two minutes FFS, have some respect for the people who gave you the freedom you take for granted.

I remember the days when EVERTHING stopped , trams, buses,cars,people , but on the 11th exactly, not a convenient weekend .

andymc 11th November 2019 19:38

Did anybody watch the programme presented by David Lammy last night? If you haven't, and you have any interest in the act of remembrance, it is essential viewing. The lack of respect by the fool mentioned in the opening post is one thing, but the utter contempt displayed TO THIS DAY for the thousands of men (and women, and even children) who lost their lives in the East African field of conflict, simply because they were black Africans, is appalling.

COLVERT 11th November 2019 20:18

They should have let off one more rocket after carefully inserting it into the guys nether regions.

So many died to give this man freedom but look how he used it.--Terrible.

coolguy 12th November 2019 09:16

He has been jailed for 16 weeks, so he'll be out before Christmas!

andymc 12th November 2019 14:03

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Originally Posted by andymc (Post 2775069)
Did anybody watch the programme presented by David Lammy last night? If you haven't, and you have any interest in the act of remembrance, it is essential viewing. The lack of respect by the fool mentioned in the opening post is one thing, but the utter contempt displayed TO THIS DAY for the thousands of men (and women, and even children) who lost their lives in the East African field of conflict, simply because they were black Africans, is appalling.

Nobody? Thought someone would have shared their thoughts. For those who can't find a download of it, here's a review which covers much of the salient information.

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David Lammy, the Labour politician and candidate for Tottenham, is standing in a Commonwealth war cemetery in Voi, southern Kenya. Unbeknown to many, certainly to me, this rural town near the Tanzanian border was a major military gathering point in the first world war. A war into which 2 million Africans were dragged, and 1 million died. In the beautifully tended burial ground, each British serviceman who fell in the surrounding area is commemorated with a single headstone, according to the egalitarian policy of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission (CGWC). Except the black Africans. The bodies of those British subjects who died for their country, then British East Africa, are not here. So where are they?

“You see the bush?” says caretaker Antonny Wachira Kimani, pointing to an overgrown wasteland beyond the perimeter fence. The two black men walk through the tall grasses and rubbish. “They worked together, but nobody take care of them,” Kimani observes with terrible matter-of-factness. “This is apartheid,” says Lammy, kneeling on the earth and clasping his hands together. “I want to find out how the hell this happened.”

So begins The Unremembered – Britain’s Forgotten War Heroes (Channel 4), a shocking documentary broadcast as we mark the centenary of the first Remembrance Sunday. Part detective story, part takedown of our selective and self-congratulatory culture of remembrance, this is the buried history of the establishment’s failure to acknowledge how the racism inherent in colonial rule continues to result in a whitewashing of the past. Here is proof – in the unmarked, unnamed burial of hundreds of thousands of black African bodies killed in the war – that the only way to take pride in our collective history is to acknowledge its shame. Say sorry, and mean it. Do something.

Unsurprisingly, this is not how this scandal plays out.

In London, delving into the CWGC archives with professor Michèle Barrett of Queen Mary University of London, Lammy finds out exactly how the hell this happened. Despite the CWGC’s pledge to treat everyone as equal in death – “What was done for one should be done for all” – exceptions were made. Barrett unearths a 1920s document by a Maj George Evans revealing that “everyone” meant white Europeans fighting on the western front. “Most of the natives who have died are of a semi-savage nature and do not attach any sentiment to marking the graves of their dead,” Evans observed. His conclusion? “I consider the erection of individual headstones would constitute a waste of public money.” A letter signing off on the plan was authored by the chairman of the then Imperial War Graves Commission, Winston Churchill.

A cascade of devastating moments follows. Lammy meets a man, Mwamkono Mwavaka, whose grandfather was one of the estimated 100,000 Carrier Corps – the men, women and children recruited to transport supplies to the frontline in what was effectively a death march – who died in the war. Only the hair shaved from his head was brought home. In a vast war cemetery in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, where British and enemy German soldiers are buried side by side, campaigner Kathleen Bomani breaks down as she recalls going through every single gravestone and finding not one African name. “Where do I go in my own country?” she weeps.

Most heartbreaking is the urban wasteland off Pugu Road in Dar es Salaam, where Barrett reckons thousands of black African carriers are buried. No names, graves, nothing. The minutes of a CWGC meeting reveal a recommendation that the area “should be allowed to revert to nature as speedily as possible”.

Finally, Lammy returns to London and the swish headquarters of the CWGC for a reckoning with its director general, Victoria Wallace. It may be the most grim moment of this enraging documentary, which is saying something. Wallace responds with defensiveness, recalcitrance, ignorance (“I didn’t know that,” she says of the racial segregation at Voi. “But do we have the names? I don’t believe we do”) and a fallback on the increasingly trotted out argument that we cannot judge those racist times by the standards of our own. No apology, only a cursory mention of a £500,000 cemetery for black African Carrier Corps planned for Nairobi. The CWGC has since released a statement on its website, in which it argues the interview was “obfuscated”. “We have seen no documentary evidence that the claims about Voi cemetery are true,” it continues. “Indeed our archives make no reference to African war graves in the town.” One thing is for sure. This is not how the century-overdue work of making reparations looks.


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