As you know Ian, we moved house on 22 November. I did not get connected to BT until 26 November and no time to switch providers, as I flew out to Kenya on 3 December. I complained to BT about their charges as they wanted £70 per month for unlimited superfibre and weekend + evening calls. After my complaint, they patched me through to another department and then it was dropped to £29 per month. They said the speed will go up and down in the first 10 days. The wall socket says it’s Open Reach, which I thought looked ugly and chunky. The speed was miserably slow.

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Morning Phil, Dear me! those speeds are no better if not worse than the old dial up days. :eek:

There is also a Virgin box (also chunky) on the wall, inactive. If BT does not improve, I could make the switch to Virgin when I return in 6 months.....

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Virgin isn't always the answer - we have it at home (full fibre optic cable to the house) and it was brilliant 5 years ago with 150mps+ pretty much all the time but now it's very hit and miss despite being checked by a Virgin Engineer. It occasionally gets to over 100mps but is more usually around 50 and the hub struggles with more than 3 users. The 'solution' apparently is to turn the hub off overnight but to my mind that's not a solution it's a a bodge.


On the other hand at work I have BT broadband which arrives by a copper cable from a nearby telephone pylon - 40mps pretty much all the time, admittedly it is only me using it but even so.


It depends a LOT on where you are and how many other people are connected I suspect - which is probably why my home Virgin service has suffered over the years.

Just checked my speed,3.5mps. When i first had trouble with my broadband i was asked to upgrade my router,after a while had same problem.So then upgraded to fibre as suggested by bt. Now i find out that the problem is with the copper wire from junction box to the house,as fibre only goes to junction box.
I may not be well informed about the technicalities of broadband but i should imagine that the fibre was already in junction box and all they have done is connect my copper wire.
So they have charged me twice to upgrade,but i am still using the faulty copper wire.
Bit of a rant i know,but to add, we have just had what the yanks call an outage with our electricity for 2 hrs and i missed bargain hunt.:icon_lol:

At least you're back in time for Antiques Road Trip :D

I am aware that Openreach owns the network and it is operationally separate from the rest of BT. But, end customers do not have a relationship with Openreach, only with the service provider arms of BT or another service provider that uses the Openreach network e.g. TalkTalk. If an end customer tries to go directly to Openreach, they may be redirected to the service provider, where they should have gone in the first place, or if OR do entertain the call and take some action your Service Provider's systems (i.e. BT Consumer's or TalkTalk's etc.) may get out of alignment in terms of the data relating to your issue, progress towards resolution etc. on their agent/customer facing systems.

As for going to the CEO after just one engineer visit, personally I don't think it would ever be justified. All it achieves overall is an increase in the cost of serving customers and ultimately higher prices for us as customers.

The principle that I always follow is to de-escalate and aim to achieve resolution at the lowest possible level in any organisation. Unfortunately, the world is full of people who think they must have the answer now and who rant when they do not get what they want straight away. Ask anyone running a service business such as a lawnmower repair shop and you will see what I mean. So it really depends on what sort of person each one of us wants to be. Personally, I would like those individuals attempting to provide a service to me to be happy bunnies and to go home feeling that they have dealt with a nice person. I never fail to get what I want!

This not questioning what you are saying - I am just trying to understand and help, so please bear with me. :xmas-smiley-008:

The current problem is not necessairily the same as your original problem. Unfortunately, dry joints and moisture relted problems with copper calbes are not predictable so one such problem could occur after another.

Being upgraded to fiber is not simply a case of connecting your telephone line to a fibre at the cabinet. There is a lot of very complex work that needs to take place in the background.

My personal recommendation (as previously) is to call up the BT service desk and if the next visit does not resolve the problem then raise a complain with BT (Consumer).

Think yourselves lucky you don’t live in rural Norfolk.

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I think myself lucky for not living anywhere in Norfolk! :laughing2::laughing2::laughing2: