Dental Pain - HELP!
 

Hi all, another health medical question I'm affraid. I'm in need of some more advice regarding health problems, dental related.

Some of you may already know that I have had a lot of dental problems over the years, have suffered ever since I was 13 years of age. My problem stems from a young age, a young lad with big overcrowded teeth. This lead to lots of fillings and then root canals at an early age, which then lead to extractions. Thankfully all those fillings and root canals are now gone, so my remaining teeth are filling and RC free.

My problem now is, I'm forever clashing my teeth together and experiencing immense pain which lasts for weeks, months. I only have to jolt my body in some way, either while doing DIY, gardening, or even working on the cars, the slightest jolt and my teeth clash together which leaves me in pain. Even eating is a problem, biting down hard will also leave me in pain, its never ending.

I already wear an upper and lower partial denture, I found it easy to wear dentures, far better than my real teeth. You wouldn't even know I wear partial dentures, its amazing what they can do nowadays, they blend into my real teeth perfectly.

My real teeth look healthy, big and white, but they keep causing me pain. I am back and forth to the dentist, and each time I get told they don't see anything wrong, they say I have sprained the tooth or teeth and to wait.

I am now at the stage where I just want rid of my reaming teeth and opt for a full set of dentures, I am sick and fed up with my teeth constantly clashing and causing me pain, I live in fear every god dam day.

I bumped my head 9 weeks ago on a cupboard while moving my daughter into her new UNI dig, my teeth clashed together and I have been in pain ever since. A few days before I was eating potato wedges of all things, I bit down on hard potato skin and my teeth have hurt like hell ever since.

I was thinking of going to see a private dentist and asking for the rest of my reamaing teeth to be removed and opt for full dentures. My current NHS dentist doesn't want to know, so I've got to look for a new dentist now anyway.

Does anyone have a family member who is a good dentist they can put me in touch with?

Sorry for the long post, but this pain is really getting me down.

Might be worth getting your GP to refer you to a specialist, it might not be just teeth related.

i,ve got some rusty pliers and some whiskey :D but seriously as said before see if you can get your GP to refer you. had the same problem with NHS dentist myself for years

This may help with the sensitivity , it works well for me and came recomended by my Dentist . I use Sensodyne Rapid Relief morning and night and after the usual brushing or when you get a flare up of pain put some on yout tongue and work it around your teeth and gum line but DONT rinse . It works for me and i hope it helps you too . :}

Thanks fellas, I've done the GP thing a few years ago, all due to having pain on a specific tooth and my dentist did not see anything wrong. The pain was horrendous and my GP referred me to the hospital maxillofacial unit, long story short, the tooth was dying and they eventually extracted the tooth for me.

I reckon the same thing is happening, I used to grind my teeth a lot, and now with my teeth clashing together just puts my teeth at more risk of trauma/getting damaged and dying.

Dentist's cant diagnose a dying tooth, not unless it has decay or an infection/abscess, this can take months even years, meanwhile the patient is left in pain. :shrug:

Is it worth trying a different dentist?

I have found a different dentist can make a lot of difference, the dentist I had used for several years moved to a different area and at the time I was sad as I thought he was doing a good job. His replacement was a women from a practice down the road, straight away I felt the care she was giving was better. Suddenly the wisdom teeth which the previous dentist had been telling should be coming out ASAP ''just needed to be monitored''.

Years ago my Uncle who had been having numerous teeth problems for many years decided to have all his teeth out. He reckoned it was the best thing he had ever had done but did say he missed some foods as they were impossible with full dentures.

So sorry it’s flared up again Wes.

My father had sensitive teeth - they variously thought it was where he fell out of a lorry cab in the war and fractured his jaw and a number of teeth and/or where he ate food with a high sand content (North African campaign) that wore his teeth badly.

In the end he had all his teeth removed - when he had recovered he said the relief from pain was such that he felt sort of “drunk”.


I hope you find some way to get rid of the pain Wes.

I have a friend who suffered with his teeth whilst he was in the Regiment, so much that all of the teeth were extracted. For years he had a full set but couldn’t get on with them. With his teeth out, his face took on a gummy appearance and his nose looked more crooked. He was a little vain and when he left the army, he came out with a £60,000 lump sum. From this, he spent 20K on having implants top and bottom. The dentist gave him the Hollywood treatment and my mate said it was the best £20K he had ever spent.

If you decide to go privately Wes, do your research on who is good and who is not......

The Sensodyne Rapid Relief is a great suggestion and worth trying.

Hi David, thank you for that tip. By coincidence, I had a flare up of sensitive top teeth and I went to the dentist. He had to give me an x-ray and he opened up the tooth using an injection to freeze everything. He then cleaned it out and told me I needed to floss more often, then he closed up. He said my options are: pull it out, or remove the nerve, or have root canal treatment at £400, if it does not settle.

In the meantime, I am going to try your suggestion first, of using the Sensodyne Rapid Relief. I will mention that I don't have it as bad as Wes. On the toothpaste box it says that its the little holes in the DENTINE layer of the teeth that causes the problems of sensitivity and the Sensodyne carries out the repairs to the holes, making the teeth stronger and whitening them at the same time. How clever is that. Thank you for helping the afflicted :}

I hope that it works for you now , i use it because like my hair line i have receding gums which comes as my dentist says with old age . I couldnt tell him that he was a cheeky NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD- because he had his hands in my mouth at the time ! So like i said clean your teeth, rinse and spit . Then put a hefty blob in and around the teeth and gums then leave it there . Good luck . :}

Update!

I've been in the wars it seems, an emotional roller coaster ride that doesn't seem to want to stop. The pain and the emotions I have felt these past few months has been unreal, I've never felt so afraid and alone. Trying to get through each day and hiding the pain from others has pushed me to my limits, the stress has certainly taking its toll on my body.

Its a very long story that still isn't over, it involves GP's, dentist, emergency dentists, private dentists and soon to be the hospital. It all basically boils down to the NHS dentist VS the private dentist VS the hospital.

I have been told what the problem is regarding this awful pain I suffer, and I can be free from this pain if I pay £2500 to £3500 :eek:

If I stay with the NHS, I may be in pain forever, no plan of action... as yet. Maxillofacial is my next stop, plus with help from my new dentist and my GP the NHS may finally help me once and for all... we shall see.

There has been times where I have nearly given up, thank god for private treatment, this will be my last resort.

NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD- hell. :eek:

Jesus Christ you mate you have been though the wars, I know teeth can be painful I know all too well wit having one of my Wisdom tooth out after a kickboxing comp which shifted it towards my gums and damaging my gum lining making pain very sensitive too the slightest touch too a cup of tea or cold water.

But yours sounds way WAY worse then that. :eek:

I've heard people say having teeth or gum problems is lot worse then being shot. :eek:

Dave, You just wouldn't believe it, all the NHS want to do is throw medication at you, fill you with pills and worry you with ideas to what the pain could be. :shrug:

I'm back at the dentist next week having two teeth pulled, then its maxillofacial in December...

The NHS at times can be a pain In the backside, Medication only do so well but there not affective means of treatment sometimes it is best too go private, quite pricey but they get on with it faster.


maxillofacial had too google that and see what it involves...………….. oh my god. :eek:
I hope you can get this all sorted as soon as possible, from what you were saying its pushed your mentality too the limit which is now affecting you.

I'd get that sorted as soon as possible.

Perhaps you have to mix it Wes to get the result you want, NHS and private. If going private, get the price quoted in writing before you start. Tell them you need it for your records. Also research google for the reviews of the proposed treatment, the name of it, how successful it is and once you get the names of the specialists, research them for good and bad reviews. I am suspicious of any private specialist who guarantees pain free for ever. Some of them will say anything to get your business and money. Bear that in mind.

Wise words here Wes. So sorry you are still suffering. Have they checked out your head and neck?

We have sinus spaces in odd places and we know of one person who suffered teeth and jaw pain that was found ultimately to be due to an infected sinus space below and behind her ear.

The pain was excruciating and it was only sorted by a young Anaesthetist who ran a “Pain Clinic” and worked out what the issue was.

My thoughts are with you mate !

Can someone explain why getting old is so painful?

I have been told that taking naps prevents old age - and this certainly would work if you did it whilst driving.........

Could it be Neuralgia?

I've had this a couple of times, and to say it hurt like a thousand hell fires would be an understatement.

As for the NHS, I fear it's another case of the postcode lottery again. I really wish it wasn't, because they're bl00dy good when they get it right. :(

No.Is that a question or an observation? Chris.S

I'm finally getting there, a full set of dentures is on the cards it seems. Its been a long hard struggle this past year, or should I say past 10 years. I will be glad when its all over I can tell ya.

Good news, I am finally having the rest of my teeth extracted (a full clearance). I had the rest of my uppers extracted only 5 weeks ago, and today the hospital has agreed to extract the rest of my lowers. :xmas-smiley-008:

I cant wait to get new teeth lol, but I reckon I will wait some weeks for all the swelling to subside and healing to take place before I opt for dentures.

Having no teeth certainly makes you look old though, but I don't care as being pain free is far more important.

So any denture buddies out there?

Glad your on the mend Wes. :xmas-smiley-008:

I blooming hope so Dave, thanks mate.

Hopefully you will soon be pain free Dallas.

Having been an NHS dentist for nearly 40 years I must say your case sounds most unusual as there did not seem to be an obvious cause ......I'm sure dentists and maxfax will have done a full inspection involving all types of xrays, scans, pulp testing etc etc and so a normal cause was obviously not evident. It is also unusual in this day and age for the maxillo facial surgeons to be doing the clearance unless there is an underlying good reason. It sounds they were unsure what the cause is otherwise they would have recommended a total clearance in one go or attend to one tooth being the cause. It sounds like they did the upper first to remove any biting pressure and if that had done the trick would have left the lowers as the bottom denture is harder to adapt to as a general rule. ( and a top denture won't exert the same force as your own teeth) They would normally look to leave something ( tooth or even a root) especially in the lower to help the stability of the lower dentures when you eventually try them.........unless you are going to go down the implant root? ( pardon the pun lol)

The bone will re model for up to 6 months so any dentures you have made in that time may need constant remodelling and adjustment. The final result will partially depend on how much bone loss occurs after the teeth are removed. I know you have worn partials but they get nearly all their support from your own teeth so once they have gone it is all down to your own muscular control, type of saliva, perseverance etc etc. The upper full is normally the easier to get on with as you get good suction as the plate covers the palate. The lower only has a smaller area to sit between the cheeks and the tongue and much depends on muscular control.

Incidentally dentists do get a good ideas when a tooth is dying by various diagnostic tools and appropriate questions and I never intentially left a patient in pain for weeks because I didn't realise a tooth was dying.

As you have found out patients are all different and present with different scenarios but hopefully now the end of the pain is in sight which is of prime importance and the primary target.

Good luck

PS.......which oral surgery unit do you attend as I worked in your area for almost 20 years and knew some well?

Hi Wes, I have a mix of semi permanent dentures, an implant, crowns, a bridge and part of my lower jaw has a synthetic bone implant. I won’t go into any gory details. Our resident dentist is here and how lucky we are to have him, we really are.... Psychologically, it is going to be a major change for you from what you have been used to. Just give yourself time to adapt to your new teeth and looks. If you find they are too tight or loose, pop back to the dentist and have them readjusted. Ultimately, only you will know they are dentures. Enjoy.

I know a couple of the other members who have dentures, only because one guy told me about them, when I needed to see his dentist in Yorkshire. Another took his dentures out in a cafe in front of me, so he could tuck into his meat and 2 veg and not worry about getting the green bits left in afterwards.

Thank you Ashley, and you are quite right in what you say. I have had several tests over the years including CT and MRI's scans, thankfully all came back ok.

My problem is hereditary, my mother and father, grandmother and grandfather all lost their teeth in their 40's, the problem seems to be big overcrowded teeth in small area, this contributed to brushing problems, which contributed to decay, then fillings and then root canals. The RC's would eventfully fail which then meant extractions one by one over the years, this has been going on since my early teens.

When I reached 30 I got fed up of trying to save my teeth, so I opted for extractions instead. So all that dental work I had is now gone, my reaming teeth are now in low bone and some teeth have become mobile.

Once I started wearing partial dentures, this then just added to the problem of causing pain in my reaming real teeth. I found my denture teeth would clash my real teeth, also put stress/pressure on my real teeth which would make them become mobile. I agree about partial dentures fitting better when you have some real teeth remaining as the denture can lock inplace around your real teeth, but those real teeth are just sitting on borrowed time. The reaming teeth do get a lot of stress from the denture, and overtime I have found these teeth then become troublesome.

Having a full clearance is to stop all these problems I guest, I want to be able to talk, eat and do everyday tasks without pain, without the fear of my teeth constantly clashing and hurting. Maxfax has said its my choice at the end of the day, I cant imagine it being any worst than it is now.

I know its going to be a big change going from partials to full dentures, the problem I have at the moment is, I cant wear my upper temp denture at the moment as the bone where my canines were is huge. The swelling has gone down, but still the bone is big and bulgy where the roots were which makes my denture not fit... I don't suppose you have any pointers do you?


Thanks Phil, You will have to tell me your story some day, you can hear more of mine. lol

Its certainly been hard Phil, coping with pain for so many years and now coming to terms of having no teeth has been difficult. I'm in my late 40's and somewhat of a show-off, my looks are/have already changed some. I will find it hard, but stopping all this pain and discomfort is the goal to a happier pain free life.

I'm not sure if I will go straight to temps as my current upper temp is way to big already. I may wait 6-8 weeks or so and then get measured for a new full upper and lower temp denture, better chance of them fitting. So I may be walking the streets for awhile with no teeth looking old, oh! and a soft food diet, that's the pits. :icon_cry:

The bone will be shrinking back as I say for 6 months or so and so the bone around the canine region will also remodel in time. You are correct in that often the bone in this region can often be bulky to start as often there is less bone recession here around your natural teeth prior to extractions. I often used to cut the flange back in this area all the way. Any denture made before this will need adjustments all dependant on how fast recession takes place.

If this temp denture was fitted after the extraction ( an immediate) but made before, then the technician has had to estimate where the bone would be following extraction so often the fit may not be quite right. You need to return for a dentist to adjust the plate which may be to remove some acrylic and ease it in this area or even to put on some temporary cushion type linings ( eg viscogel) in order to relieve the pressure on the canine area. These can also be used to pack out the temp when it is too big.

It used to be standard practice a few years ago to have the extractions and then wait 6 months before trying dentures.

If you get an appointment for an adjustment try to wear the plate for an hour or two so the gum will just start to redden and then the dentist can line up where he needs to adjust.

I think my so called new good dentist isn't so good after all. She said to come back in 2/3 months for a reline, even though I left her office with a loose fitting denture that looked like a gumshield. I had the impression done on the day of the extractions, it was meant to be an immediate denture, but the lab took 4 weeks to make it.

The two upper canine areas the gum is large and rounded, the denture falls upon and rubs these two areas. I had huge white blisters after just half a day wearing the denture, I haven't worn it since. The denture is so thick and wide, I would imagine the width has something to do with the large canine bulges. I thought the lab or dentist would have grooved out the sides of the denture just where the bulges are, this would then allow the denture to be slimmer and fit around the canine bulgy bits.

I was going to make another appointment and go back, but I wanted to wait for the results from Maxillofaical first. I will most probably pop back to the dentist at some point once I get the extraction date from maxfax for the lowers and then let my dentist know. I thought it would be better to get measured for a new temporary upper and lower at the same time, as my current temporary upper (the big ill fitiing one) was made to match my lower remaining teeth.

Am I right in thinking my dentist can make me a new temporary upper and lower at the same time, and it will only be one NHS charge on band C, even though I had a new upper just 5 weeks ago when I had my remaining lower teeth.

I was told, because I'm now having my remaining lower teeth out, that my dentist would need to setup a new treatment plan which would mean I could get a new upper made at the the same time as the lower denture, does that sound correct to you?

Your dentist will be able to set up a new upper and lower once the lower extractions have taken place. This may be beneficial as the technician won't be guided by your own teeth which often aren't in the ideal place for denture positioning. As I said muscle action comes into play when it comes to full dentures and they have to sit in a "neutral zone" to be stable which often isn't the case when copying your old teeth position.....nobodys fault just the way it is.

I'm not really surprised that you are having problems with the first temporary if it was 4 weeks after extraction ( or did you go back for 2 or 3 other visits once the extractions had occurred ?? in which case a second impression can be taken just prior to fit ) ..........by this time a certain amount of remodelling would have taken place and as I said the technician has to estimate where the bone will end up. Normally in this type of case I would fit the denture at the time of the extractions which also helps with the clotting .

It is usual to see after 2 to 3 months for a reline, however this would be a hard acrylic reline, but there are temporary cushion ones that can be applied if the remodelling is taking place faster or in an uneven manner. Dentures often feel "big" and this is part and parcel of getting used to a full denture. When the rubbing has gone this is where perseverance comes in.

When you go back for the full upper and lower it would indeed open up another band C treatment and associated cost.

As I said the "blisters" that began to form are probably easily sorted by an ease and as I said wear the plate for an hour or so and the dentist will be able to see exactly where to take off the acylic as the gum will just start to mark up.

Thank you for your help Ashley, so very much appreciated.

I had the impression done on day of extractions, then went back following week for wax try-in, then wax with teeth try-in, then they had to add some sort of reline due to it being so loose, and then the following week it was all finished. I thought it was a bit strange to make an immediate denture in this way, because I have been without it for the first 4 weeks, that defeats the whole point of an immediate denture I guess.

The dentist herself is very lovely, but I'm not convinced she can make dentures. She had to call in another dentist on two visits due to not knowing what to do, or how the system worked. I also had to ask my GP to refer me to maxillofacial/hospital as she said they are not allowed to refer to the hospital any more, I think she is misinformed, or needs more training.

I may have to ask to see one of the other dentists, or find yet another practice. I have found it near impossible to find a good dentist who knows what they are doing, not unless I pay big money and go private.

In the hospital today I felt in good hands, it was such a huge relief to be with someone who knows what they are doing.

Correct....that wasn't an immediate .......they went through the normal 4 stages of full denture making......impression, bite, try with final reline imp and then fit. The denture should have been as good as they could get at that moment in time. ( and indeed better than an immediate where the technician has to estimate so much.) An immediate, as the name suggests, is fitted on the day the extractions take place.

Traditional denture fabrication and teaching is actually on the decline in dental hospitals as more emphasis is placed on saving teeth and obviously prosthetics allied to implants. There are certain technicians who are "allowed" and "registered" to make dentures direct to the public and they can be a better bet as they deal with dentures all day every day. Drawback to this is that they obviously charge a private fee.

Most people now grow into their old age with some if not all their natural teeth so sometimes full denture making experience amongst younger dentists can be a little low.

Dentists indeed are totally discouraged from referring to Oral Surgery departments unless it is for something major like cancer, medical complications etc. In past times most dentists would refer their wisdom teeth extractions in but unless there is a complex root structure or nerve involvement they are not supposed to do this now. This gives the max fax surgeons time to deal with more involved cases. Certainly this was the case with the RDE and Musgrove when I worked in Exeter / Taunton area.

On the day of upper extractions and impression, my dentist said next week I will have my immediate denture. I arrived on the second week and she said the lab wanted the 4 week visits as the impressions were not good enough.

When I picked up the upper denture the dentist said come back in 2/3 months for a reline, and then six months for a permanent denture, she said it will fit better then. lol

When I got my partials done some years ago, the impressions were taken first and sent away, dentures made and then extractions done.

I think the best way forward now is for me to wait for extraction date from maxfax for the lowers, then wait at least 8-12 weeks to get a new upper and lower temporary denture done, that's if I can wait that long.

My concern is these upper canine bulges, I cant see any upper denture fitting not until the bone shrinks back some more. The pain and discomfort of wearing the new upper denture just for those few hours was agony, it was actually ripping my gums apart.

You'd be amazed what a correct adjustment can do........either grinding ( in the canine area in this case) or temp reline. In any denture case like this I would expect to see the patient a number of times for adjustments especially in the first few weeks.

The final fit after waiting 6 months will indeed be better as they will be made on a stable base and the canine areas can be taken into account once remodelling has finished. Once stable these areas can be used to your advantage and can give a denture a great amount of support.

I wish you were my dentist. :xmas-smiley-008:

I'm going to have to go back to my dentist soon I suppose to let them know about maxfax and the lowers coming out. See what she says then, will she fix my current ill fitting loose 5 week old upper, or will she want me to wait until I get my lowers extracted?

Grinding in, that is what I thought. The dentist would only have to groove out part of the side of the denture around the canine bulge, I've even thought about doing it myself with my dremel. I done this with my partial because it was ill fitting, I actually made it a perfect fit.

Its whether I can walk around with no teeth for awhile, at the moment I cant see me ever wearing a denture, I've lost all faith.

But it will all be worth it in the end. No more pain and beautiful looking teeth, no more visits to the dentist....imagine that :icon_lol:

Perseverance is the word Dallas.

Your only experience at present is a temporary full denture which by its nature is on an unstable base. Think of it like laying a slab in a patio.........it is most dependent on the sub base and base. If this is not stable and is changing say due to the weather it won't be stable on the top slab.

All new full / full dentures will feel "big" due to the nerve endings all round the mouth telling the brain about 2 lumps of plastic now occupying the mouth! This is where the persevfrance comes in and eventually this feeling subsides in most cases. Dentists can make the palate in a very thin cobalt chrome ( not in the first 6 months after extractions) often for strength but also to allow the tongue more room.

As I mentioned there are technicians who are licensed and trained to deal direct with the public. All they do are dentures and so have more full / full denture experience than most ordinary dentists, especially the younger ones where often dental schools hardly teach anything on the subject anymore.

Even if you find you still struggle then there is always the implant road to go down where a number of , usually, titanium implants are fixed to your top and bottom jaws and then the dentures fix and anchor on to them ( still removable for cleaning etc). The results are fantastic, the procedure is not as "nasty" as it sounds and the longevity of them is well proven.

If you do go down the implant road eventually, then pm me and I will find out a reputable oral surgeon in your area from a good colleague of mine in Exeter. Many dentists now do implants but some have only had a minimal training so I think it is always good to have someone with the full qualification in implantology.

The drawback to the last two suggestions is the cost as they are private but sometimes if you find normal dentures are not working then it is worth the cost especially to give you your confidence back ( especially as NHS band 3 is now over £250 so doesn't take long to run up a large bill). However we may find that you do indeed adapt to normal dentures and let us hope so.

By the way even with dentures you should STILL VISIT A DENTIST to have soft tissues etc checked for early signs of cancer etc. I specialized for 20 years into the elderly and EMI patients ( often in Nursing Homes and Hospitals) and so came across many dentures. I found a number of cancerous issues in patients with "no teeth" and so had not attended a dentist for soft tissue checks.

I am often on the forum so any advice you want just put up a post or pm me. Makes a change from thinking about plenum chambers lol.

Thank you Ashley, your offer is very much appreciated, I may well call on you expertise at some point.

I think the only problem I'm experiencing with this new temporary upper denture is due to the thickness of the acrylic around the large canine area, once the gum and bone reabsorbs some more, I reckon all will be good with the next denture. Thankfully I have no problem with gagging, my palate area is quite deep and I can tolerate a full palate, I understand some people can suffer gagging problems.

I'm still in two minds whether to go back to the dentist and get them to alter this current denture (if they can) or simply wait for the maxfax team to extract my lowers and then opt for a new upper the same time as getting the lower made.

I have thought about the idea of titanium implants, but have come to the conclusion of not wanting anything drilled into my bone. I think after suffering many root canals over the years with endless problems, I just want rid now and not have any more dental work performed.

I cant believe how having no teeth effects your speech, since the upper extractions and not being able to wear the denture, I sound like a right wally. Then there's the soft food diet, how much mash potatoes and mashed veg can one eat?

I just hope when I get this next denture set made, the dentist and lab will do a good job.

I would go back and see if an adjustment can be made to the present temporary. ( even 2 or 3 times......adjustments are free!) The sooner your brain gets used to the feel and gets rid of that "big" feeling the better. The longer it is left the harder it will become as the mouth and especially the tongue gets used to the extra space.

Just as you are at present adapting your speech with no teeth then you will have to re adapt to speaking with dentures. Certain sounds are formed around the space left which at present is greater than when the plate is present.

Don't confuse root canal and post crowns with implants. Totally different so are not to be discounted. The success rate is fantastic and I have seen many patients confidence restored by having them after years of normal denture struggles.

If you do return for an adjustment do try and wear for a short time as it will give an indication to the dentist where to adjust.

Thanks Ash, watch this space...

I'm hoping the hospital maxfax team will ring me in a few days asking me to come in, they asked me if I could come in at a moments noticed, I obviously said yes.

If this happens I will have to hold fire for the immediate lower temp and just opt for the adjustments to the current upper temp. I cant believe how complicated this has become, the NHS sure don't make things easy do they?

As for speech, its amazing how we take 'talking' for granted, I sound like I should be on a Jeremy Kyle show. I do hope these dentures do eventually fit, otherwise I wont want to talk. lol :icon_cry:

I was in deep thought earlier today and wondered where I went wrong with my teeth, could I have done something different?

The choices we get given in life and the paths we take, could I have done something that would have made all the difference in myself avoiding so many dental problems, or has my life been mapped out from day one with regards to genes and genetics?

Us humans normally have 32 teeth including our wisdom teeth, basically that's 32 ticking time bombs ready to explode. They say the human body is an amazing machine, but there are so many design faults which need improving.

Where do we send our complaints?

Nature is already on the case Dallas.......mainly as a response to softer diets etc.

Certain teeth are being "phased out" and it is increasingly common for them to be missing.

Its a long process but in the future we may only be given 16 or 20 teeth. One of the incisors one of the premolars and one of the molars will be missing in years to come.

Not so many "ticking" time bombs lol :xmas-smiley-008:

You said Wes, how your looks are important to you. Are you in the public eye or something? Imagine losing your hair and teeth at the same time. Here is a picture of when I used to have hair. When it started to go, I read an advert in the paper “free hair loss consultation” Harley Street, so I went. They had photo of Graham Gooch who had their “treatment”. Oh what they could do for me - I’d be 21 all over again and no need for Viagra. I was so shocked at the costs, rushed out of the consult and had a No 1 :icon_lol: :xmas-smiley-008::xmas-smiley-008:

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Why is it some guys go bald and some don’t?

Amazing when you think about it, I guest its just like our wisdom teeth being phased out these past few centuries. Wisdom teeth have been part of my trouble for years, all four of mine came up, one had impacted though.

My wisdom teeth should have been taken out as soon as they erupted so not to cause the overcrowding, or my childhood dentist should have taken out one rear molar at each corner to allow my wisdom teeth to come though and have room. I was 35 when a dentist decided to extract my wisdom teeth, too blooming late then it was, should had been done years earlier.

I hear many stories where people don't have room for their upper canines to come through, my eldest daughter being one of them. My daughter had to have one canine out when she was young, seems I have handed down the overcrowding gene to them. :icon_cry:

Great pic Phil. :xmas-smiley-008:

Dont start me on hair, I'm also loosing my hair too, soon I will be toothless and bald (I'm not quite 50 yet). I used to be in the public eye Phil, always in a smart suit but not so much now, thankfully.

I've always been vain Phil, you could say I suit that Carly Simon song very well lol. I've always been a show-off, I had thick luscious hair and gleaming white teeth once upon a time.

This is me now showing-off in the photo below, not quite 50 yet. Photo was only taken a few months ago when enjoying the summer sunshine. I was in excruciating pain when this photo was taken, this was when I said enough is enough, its time to get rid and opt for full dentures. I just hope I don't look too different after my bottoms come out, otherwise I will be driving the TF with the top up. lol

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Just as some teeth are being phased out the relative jaw size is decreasing. So if you are unfortunate to have 32 teeth and the jaw is smaller than it was, there is going to be overcrowding.......this is not just you and is very prevalent.

Lack of room for the upper canine is common ( last tooth in in this region) and hence why in many cases the first premolar is removed to then allow the canine in, possibly with some orthodontic help. However if there is no room at all and the aesthetics are OK with an incisor next to a premolar it is sometimes an easy fix to just remove the canine and save all the orthodontic time.......however there are usually other mal occlusions which warrant an orthodontic approach.

Hi Wes, thank you for the compliment. I was in Russia on a job and the portrait was done by a street artist. I thought he made me look severe. Your photo on the other hand is the opposite. When you get your new teeth settled in, one the things to watch out for is sneezing, as they can fly out, unless you put your hand up in front to catch them. I can’t think of anything else at the moment.

Ok, can this get any worst? Now I've got esophageal thrush of the mouth and throat.

Lets see, not only I've had years and years of dental problems, endless failed root canals, enough pain to test the most strongest of men, and don't forget all the money that has been spent or should I say wasted. Endless dental visits, hospital visits, CT and MRI scans, several diagnosis and treatments all for what? Oh and then there's the chronic testicular pain to throw into the mix, sometimes I think I must be superhuman to get through this cr*p,

The excruciating pain of losing my upper teeth only a few weeks ago, and now set to lose my lower teeth in a few weeks time. This will obviously bring me more pain and discomfort, that's more healing time, avoiding those dry-sockets, the infections and the fixed bone-spurs which hurt like hell is proving impossible, healing time really sucks, so does a soft food diet.

Then there's the past few years of having to adjust to wearing partial dentures, and now facing the fact that I will need to adjust to a full set of dentures and the cost involved yet again.

The uncertainty of whether my dentist can make a good set of dentures that actually fit, the not knowing whether I'm going to be able to adjust to a full set of dentures, facing a life with no teeth is certainly going to have its drawbacks.

... and if all that isn't enough to cope with, with Christmas just around the corner and 3 cars with problems that need sorting. I now have esophageal thrush of the mouth and throat, my throat is in agony, my whole body feels like cr*p, and this is all because of my so called new immediate denture which doesn't fit, and being on antibiotics for 4 blooming weeks, the antibiotics have killed my good bacteria and left me with bad bacteria. WTF.

All those days where I've not been able to function, thousands of hours lost laid up in bed in excruciating pain watching my life simply waste away hasn't been enough to cope with, him upstairs is still trying to finish me off.

Oh! and not forgetting having to look after both my parents with their illnesses, the list just goes on and on.

Yes, I am feeling sorry for myself, will this ever end, I just want my life back. :icon_cry:

The only practical thing you can do Wes, is to pull yourself up and out from the pit. It’s no good staying there and feeling sorry for yourself, there is much more to life than that. Don’t feed self pity with more sorrow, as it’s a downward spiral. You can’t undo all the bad things that has happened, but you can move forward and make changes, adapt.

I hear you Phil, I'm working on it, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger right?

Thank you for your pm Wes. Some things of a more personal nature are better discussed in private. Let’s do it there in the atmosphere of discussion, options and confidentiality.

Thanks Phil, I remember when Derek (windrush) would pop in on one of my threads, he always gave good positive advice, he would make you look at the world more positively.

I'll be ok, I'm of the strong sort as they say, I just need a good rant. It helps speaking to you guys on here I guest, I don't like to worry my wife about it all really, I have no brothers or sisters to annoy. My trouble seems to be, I can give good advice to others, but I can never teach myself to use the same advice, strange how it works.

Good grief Wes - you are going through one he11 of a rough time!

Some excellent advice given by guys on here who clearly have greater expertise in this area than the rest of us. How amazing that a car club can provide such a conduit for this.

Sorry to hear you may now be suffering from some sort of oral thrush. This is not uncommon when your immune system is low after the sort of pain and trauma you have gone through. It is quiet possible that the treatment you have/will be prescribed will be Nystatin oral lozenges.

These are pretty useless foul tasting things that do nothing but dye your mouth brown. I suggest you try Daktarin Oral Gel which is available over the counter at Pharmacies but you may have to get them to order it in.

It is a broad spectrum anti fungal (Thrush is the fungus Candida albicans - but a thrush infection can include other species as well as certain opportunistic bacteria) and this makes the fungi static Nystatin about as useful as the proverbial chocolate tea pot.

Daktarin oral gel is orange flavoured- so you can almost convince yourself it’s a bit like Cointreau.....

Can you believe it Clive, because I cant? I just want to get off this roller-coaster ride that I seem to be on, I've had enough now. lol

Thanks for those tips Clive, back to the blooming docs again tomorrow I guest.

I will apologise to anyone who doesn't like to talk about health related issues on a car club, hope I'm not upsetting anyone. I do look at you guys as friends, gaining some support I can only assume is a good thing, it sure does help me.

Thank you again fellas, its always appreciated.

Hi Wes - no need for a Rx - you can buy it over the counter - a 15g tube is cheaper than the Rx charge !

Correct Darcy.

Almost certainly caused by the antibiotics as Dallas suggested and is quite a common side effect of antibiotic use.

Whoever diagnosed the thrush I thought would have given a Rx or suggested the antifungal mentioned by Darcy. As he says it is readily available from chemists over the counter and is therefore cheaper than the prescription charge.

If persistent there are others that can be prescribed but you would obviously have to see your GP or dentist for an Rx.

Keep believing Wes

Thanks fellas, It was my wife who diagnosed, and the doc confirmed this morning. He prescribed the Nystatin medicine, also said the cause is due to the antibiotics. Why is it when you solve one problem, it then causes another?

Assuming you pay for your Rx’s Wes - I would suggest you save yourself the money and buy the Daktarin Oral Gel.

Edit - it’s normally about £5.69 for a 15g tube - but it looks like it’s on offer - at Lloyds Chemists anyway as they have it for £5.29 at the moment.

A good idea to brush it into your dentures as well as apply to the inside of the mouth.

Thanks for those tips Clive.

The state of the NHS?

I've just been told by the hospital that I'm going to have to wait upto 40 weeks for these extractions. :icon_cry:

I'm on the cancellation list, lets hope that brings me a much sooner appointment.

Unfortunately for the type of treatment you are down for, you will not be a priority within an oral surgery department. They are more to do with mouth cancer, facial reconstruction and severe medical complications etc.

As I said before you did well to get an oral surgery department to undertake this type of treatment.

Hopefully they will get a short notice appointment you can take advantage of.

Lets certainly hope so, best of luck

My parents had all theirs out in their mid 20's as was normal then, to save a life of problems later in life???


I lasted through to my 50's, then said enough was enough and had the lot out. They did it in stages, with temporary dentures between and several visits. I never had any problems with the upper set, but could never get on with the lower set, constant pain and poor fit.



I have friends with the implants, they seem to cause more issues than the natural ones.

I only had temporary partials for a short time, but full dentures I found were much easier to keep in place, much more secure and easier to get on with.


The temporaries were made up ready to go in, before the naturals were extracted.



I never had a soft diet, I was chomping nuts and toffees within hours of extractions.

Teeth were extracted routinely at a young age some years ago. This was especially so prior and just after 1948 when the NHS came in.

Before that you had to pay a relative large Private fee for every small job and as many people had not got the money they saved up so as to lose them all in one go ( often a 21st present or a wedding gift) and then once the NHS started, and at that time it was free, all those people who had suffered problems rushed to get all their teeth out. Technology and treatments available to save teeth were not around and the oral hygiene measures people used were poor. Since check ups prior to 48 were charged, people only ever went when they had a problem. Add all this together, most ended up with Perio. problems leading to a clearance.

Everybody is different and experience showed me there is a large spectrum when it comes to dentures...................at the one end are those that could wear anything ( put 2 horseshoes in and they would cope!) through to those that cannot tolerate even the stages of manufacture. Everybody else sits somewhere between with very varied differences in the ability to adapt and cope. This is especially so with the lower denture which requires good muscular control for it to work. I used to see many people who could wear the upper without a problem but suffered with the lower. Invariably because the upper covered the palate it would lead to a degree of suction which made it more controllable.

Over all my years of specialising in prosthetics there were more problems with ordinary unsupported dentures than with implants. The main drawbacks to implants are cost and sometimes who has done them. Always best to go to someone who has done the full 2 year diploma in implantology than someone who has done a weekend course!

Absolutely correct Ashley, that is exactly what I was told. I didn't really want to cause a fuss, so I just agreed. They did say I could be called in at any time if a cancellation comes up, also if I'm in pain to get my GP to expedite my case.

Hi Harry, I myself have found it blooming impossible to get my teeth extracted, these days dentists don't like taking teeth out. Not unless they are 101% confident that the tooth is dead, and then they will still try and talk you into a root canal or implant (sorry Ashley if that offends).

I totally agree with you Harry, wearing partials with existing teeth can be a right nightmare for some. At first I found it ok, I adapted to wearing dentures very quickly. I would wear them all the time without any problems, I guess over time the partials were putting pressure on my remaining teeth and causing them to hurt, also my bone has dropped which is just adding to the problem.

I have found my immediate full upper denture to be not so good, its extremely big and ill fitting. I can no longer wear the new upper, I should have refused the denture to be honest, by the time the lab had finished making it all my swelling had gone down and my gums had changed shape. I will go back to my dentist in January and get them to fix it, but I cant see a reline working as its way to big, its actually to wide for my mouth, I look like a horse. lol

I'm on a soft food diet at the moment due to not being able to wear my full upper or lower partial denture, so I'm gumming food at present. I've hurt my throat a few times swallowing food as I cant chew properly, so its lots of mash potatoes, vegetables and gravy, yogurt's and cheesecake for me, my Christmas is going to be fun. :icon_cry:

The problem I have now is... Do I get my dentist to alter/fix the existing new upper denture while I wait for the hospital appointment for the lowers to come out, at least I can then wear a full upper denture for a short time...

...or do I wait to get the lowers out and then opt for a new upper and lower set to be made at the same time, e.g a better fitting pair of dentures. lol :icon_lol:

The dentist should be able to make me immediate's, but I have found her to be quite difficult. I'm sure she doesn't fully understand how the NHS system works, or she is being crafty, seems to always steer me towards the private treatment options. :icon_rolleyes:

To make matters more complicated, the specialist at the hospital did say to wait 6-8 weeks before getting any dentures, he reckons its best to wait for the swelling to go down, this way the temps will fit better for longer.

I've been told many people do find a full lower denture to not fit as well, many need to use adhesive etc. I think its a chance I will have to take, I'm sure its better than what I have now. I'm sure anything is better than me always clashing my remaining teeth and being in pain, wish me luck.

How times have changed...

They say the hospitals have never seen so many people wanting/needing their teeth extracted, dentist's are refusing to take teeth out, so its left for the hospitals to do. :icon_rolleyes:

People say they cant even get registered with a NHS dentist these days, and then you never see the same dentist twice if you do. NHS dental practices cant even keep hold of dentist's for very long, as they all seem to want to go private and get paid more money for less work. I don't blame them really, I've seem how some of these NHS dental practices operate. The types of folk you get coming in and how busy these places can get is frightening, you can actually see the stress and beads of sweat on the dentist's foreheads, it must be very stressful for them.

As said, I received a temporary full upper denture, ready made which went straight in after extraction. Then some while later the permanent one, once the gums had settled.


It certainly felt absolutely massive in my mouth, but once in it felt stable and looking in the mirror my face looked fine. My dentist said to persist with it, keep it in all the time, it would settle in and begin to feel normal - He was right.



The gums do shape themselves some way to conform to fit a denture, so keeping it in despite how it feels, helps.

I wish it were that simple Harry, mine is in fact too big for my mouth, even the specialist at the hospital commented on how big it was, he said it would be best to go back and have another one made. The denture had cut/rubbed my gums raw to the point of seeing bone (even with adhesive).

The denture was already too big from the word go, and now its been 7 weeks since the upper extractions, its bigger than ever. I don't understand why my dentist said to come back in 3 months for a reline, relines should happen within the first 3-6 weeks after extractions, at least 2 relines within the first 6-8 weeks.

You would actually think this so called immediate denture was made for a different mouth, someone else's denture. As said, my immediate denture wasn't immediate, I didn't receive it until 4 weeks later. The dentist messed up the impressions which made the whole process take longer, so by the time I received teh denture, my swelling and bone had already changed far too much for it to fit.

Well I'm a happy chappy, I just had a phone call from the hospital to say come in next week for the extractions, the doc wants me in soon as possible. Woohoo!

I'm so blooming happy, but also somewhat scarred to say the least. A full clearance is going to blooming hurt I guess, the healing process takes so long, will be worth it in the long run though.

I've only been waiting 10 years for this, and now finally e-day is just around the corner. AMAZING!

Great start to the new year. :)

Great news Wes!!!

Let us know how it goes.

It certainly is Clive, I'm so thankful to be going in next week. To have it all sorted at the start of January will be brilliant, I may wait awhile though for all the swelling to go down before I get full dentures, will shall see. Its been nearly 8 weeks since my upper extractions, so that's 8 weeks of healing done, now to do it all again. :icon_rolleyes:

The only downside is, I had a urology appointment booked the same day. I received a follow up appointment last week after all this time since April last year. I've had to reschedule it now, been told they are fully booked up until April this year, now I have to wait for urology to confirm my new appointment. :icon_rolleyes:

I also need to get rid of this horrid cold, I cant stop coughing, been like it now for two blooming weeks.

Well! I'm currently sh**ing myself, I'm going in on Friday to get my last reaming teeth pulled.

Only one more day with these suckers and then they are gone, its going to blooming hurt just isn't it. I'm going to be out of action for a few days I guess.

I will have to change my name to gummy bear. lol

You will be back to normal next day. Never mind the soft food, get something tough to test your new teeth out and bed them in..


I was chomping nuts the same day..

Hi Harry, I'm going to wait 6-8 weeks before I get dentures this time, I still cant wear my upper as the gums are just too bulky. I'm going to wait for most of the swelling to go down this time and the wounds to close, and then I will go for that American smile. :D

I reckon this is all a con!!!

You just wanted a JR Ewing smile!!!! :D:getmecoat:

We will have to all wear sunglasses in Wimborne in case we come across you unexpectedly and you flash us (with a smile.....)

That would be great wouldn't it Clive, either that or I will look like JR's horse. lol :D

Front or back?

:D

Well! that was quick, all done and dusted, I no longer have any teeth left. :eek:

The journey to the hospital took longer than the extractions did, I was in and out. The extractions went well, I didn't feel a thing, the surgeon was fantastic. Its a totally different experience when you deal with someone who is very skilled at what they do, these guys are so much better than the regular dentist's, they are on another level.

He did try and talk me out of having them out though, he obviously wanted to make sure I was 100% sure myself it was what I wanted, dam right I said, get these suckers out.

I'm in some discomfort now, that is to be expected I guess, it was the same when I had my uppers out only 8 weeks ago. I've got stitches this time, I was hoping to escape stitches, blooming itchy things they are. I'm just so glad I have finally got them all out though, such a huge relief, now to start with the healing process, that sucks. :getmecoat:

Already the fear of pain that I've always had has diminished, no more clashing of teeth, no more damaging them. I may obviously still suffer some neuralgia, but nothing like it has been when the pain penetrates through all my teeth, this is such a huge relief for me, you cant imagine.

So hopefully there will be no more dental pain threads from me, I hear you cheer with joy. :} Thanks for putting up with me and listening to me go on and on, you've all been a great help. :D

Best Wishes Wes!!

Sounds like you need a liquid diet for a bit.

I suggest a nice Shiraz - or maybe a Rioja.

Hi Wes, good to hear your feeling more upbeat.
Just a word of warning, if we have snow, keep an eye on yer teeth :D

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Thanks Clive, thanks Dave, I didn't realise I like yogurt and custard so much, and lemon cheesecake, that is just the best thing on earth. lol

You don't realise having teeth helps ones speech, I was talking silly before, but now I've lost all teeth, its even worst. lol

Nope, that read absolutely perfectly to my eyes :D


I do still get the odd twinge of slight tooth ache and an occaisional nueralgia :duh:


Odd that they have not suggested or offered temporaries, until your gums settle enough for more permanents.



Best wishes on a quick recovery!


I have two ops to look forward to...


A camera down the throat (second ODG), looking for the source of what might be a continuing blood loss, following a major blood loss in August, when they had to rush me in, in the middle of the night.


Then a lipoma removal, just a bubble/lump of accumulated fat on my back, which quick annoys me. The were quick enough to get me in for a scan, to check it wasn't cancer or too deep to remove, but I have had to push for them to make progress to a minor op to remove it. I knew it could be cancer, I have put up with it for decades. Rather like a camel's hump, if I put weight on, it gains in size :D Not that its that big!


They will not operate for cosmetic reasons - I had to say to the doc I would sometimes catch it squeezing through doors. Perfectly true and quite painful, usually me not opening doors far enough and rushing around like a nutter :duh:


Jean's young granddaughter spotted it when I took her swimming, grabbed it, gave it a gentle sqeeze and asked why I had a little booby on my back - time to get something done about it, thought I.

Thanks Harry, I kind of talked myself out from getting immediate dentures, after the last episode I didn't want to go through more discomfort. My window was this week, I have been tooing and throwing all week whether to get impressions done before the extractions today, but I just didn't fancy ill fitting ones. lol

The consultant I saw advised me to wait, also the surgeon today said to wait at least 2 to 3 months before getting temps. I stopped wearing my partial dentures over 8 weeks ago, I had to stop wearing them after having my uppers pulled, its been blissful not wearing a denture TBH. :D

I will most probably wait two months before getting impressions done, get the bulk of the swelling out of the way first I guess. I am so enjoying the no pain feeling, its amazing to feel normal again after all these years. I'm still aware of the trigeminal neuralgia attacks, the surgeon explained to me about the pros and cons, they really do try and scare you with all possibilities don't they?

Harry, Its good to hear you are getting sorted, good luck with your opts. Its a great feeling when the docs start to listen to what you have to say isn't it. To finally get the help and support is all one wants, and when it happens its worth bottling. lol

Regarding my other complaint, I was offered a nerve block injection in my right testicle last November, but I chickened out and cancelled. I reckon I may have to go for it a second time if I want them to fix me properly, but they say they rather not do anything too evasive as it may make things worst, you just don't know what to do for the best.

Hope all goes well with your ops Harry, lets make sure we all have good health, wealth and happiness from now on. Its nice to know we can gain some support regarding health matters from a car enthusiast club, even if its an open forum for all to see. lol :eek: isn't this club amazing...

Well! Its been six long months of healing and getting use to life without teeth, and here I am now sporting my new set of nashers. :D

To all those dentist's that refused to help me, what a horrible lot you are, and to the surgeon that did help me, what a truly wonderful man you are. :bowdown:

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My goodness - what a difference Wes!