OVP The Next Chapter:
Over the weekend, the team went to view 'OVP' the Club's S Reg and took a good look at its condition.
You can read all about it here S525 OVP - The Restoration Now on to the very overdue next phase, and after the car is submitted for the MOT by Lates and is successful, I'm going to transport her to A & L Automotive in Doncaster. After conversations and meetings with proprietor and member on here Andy Willi he will assist us with the next stage. This will include the cleaning of the engine bay, the interior trim parts which are missing will be replaced with sourced Cowley parts. The exterior panels will need some work, but otherwise are in good order, however some exterior trim is damaged and will be replaced. Andy has the choice of two paint sprayers, once the vehicle is on site he will advise us on the re-finish. Further (and hopefully now) regular updates will be posted in the main progress thread, as we move to return this early example back to its former glory. |
This is unquestionably wonderful news that the car is being sorted again. Once the mechanicals where sort it was only a matter of time before things come along again.
Is the car facing a full respray in original paint or just repairs to the areas in questions along with a paint correct to match? |
will see about the paint once its with me in a week or two cannot answer at the moment as i have not seen it but if it needs it i will do it full respray or just the bits
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TBH, the paintwork and panels aren't that clever, nearly every panel has a crease, or scratch and there is lacquer missing in chunks in places.
The interior will scrub up a treat, but the exterior will need a good seeing to. Don't even want to think about costs, lets just see what the bodyshop pro's have to say about it first. |
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Once this car is on site we can survey the panel damage and draw up a list of what particular areas need replacement or can be repaired. I think perhaps a full refinish is required,but as i say we can update the situation regarding this at a later date. |
Jake had in mind a donor car not far from him with good panels in the correct colour.....
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Fortunately i have found two early cowley cars which will act as donor vehicles, and the specification will match what i'm looking for. |
Great news - I will enjoy following her progress back to her former glory. She will be a real flagship for the club - ready for the NEC in November ?
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We do not want to present her as a WIP, more of a presentable and finished project of an early 75 model :D |
s there anything we mere mortals can do to help?, i dunno?, donate filler etc, Obviously we can't physically do things, but anyway, the question stands!
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True, an updated parts list might be an idea, id rather donate it to the car than bin certain bits or ebay them for a minimal gain.
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be nice to see the car sorted
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have now got the finishing parts to get ovp through an mot and they are on the way to lates and with all the luck in the world it will be mot,d this next week and i have arranged transport to doncaster so i can start on the next part of the restoration thanks to pab for his help and stocktake for his donation and to a few others , watch this space as it will now be moving forward again and hopefully making a few trips to meets later on in the year
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Andy, if you need a hand with the cleaning/prep, just give me a shout. If I'm on my days off, it'll stop me getting bored. |
your hired pm your phone no will be calling and anyone else who wants to help
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Andy many thanks for going to see are mutual friend Daz at Doncaster auto breakers,who seems very keen on the project and has previously agreed to help with all the parts we require.
I'm now in possession of the bumper loom,ambient air sensor and a n/s indicator lamp,stocktake and BigRuss are paying me a visit at home on Tuesday and for good measure stocktake will donate a o/s unit. With the required parts available to me they will be sent out to Lates and the car can subjected to the MOT test.Andy has advised me that he has a guy on standby to trailer the vehicle to his workshops. Tatts, i would like to thank you also for your kind offer of your spare time,which will be gratefully received. |
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PM on it's way. |
Id love to donate something to the cause just so theres a part of my car on it. ;)
This is great news, a club car is always a good thing. |
Just read the progress post.Great to see it coming along.Hope all goes well at mot :}
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Good effort glad to see some progress.
Does it not need a pair of Bullet mirrors rather then the later ones ? |
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On a side note are there plans in place to move this car Sunday ? I am under the impression it had to be done pre the 18th. Pete and I are not available next weekend for collection. |
Any news gents on collection ?
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OVP now has a MOT if this is of good news :D
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Great stuff! It's good to see that club members are able to work together and get this project moving along under it's own steam - hats off to everybody's efforts:)
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That's great news.
It's been great to read this from start to finish and see how much this project has come on. Rik. |
Great work.Hope the project keeps moving.Great to see it progress.:}
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I will probally be shot for what I am about say but here goes. I appreciate EVERYTHING and EVERYBODY working on ovp. I think that as an expermental car [was it] it should have been kept as such with all its odd bits to show how it had been treated at the the factory. yes,make it completely road worthy. make all that dont work, work. making it look like a new /original car I think loses its history. a good clean inside and out would have sufficed. changing its odd bits to proper was history now consigned to history. what does it matter that it has a few dents and the paintwork is scruvvy, it was all part of its "charm"?. I have felt this way for a long time and wanted to say [WITHOUT critismn of all the helpers] it on air. thats me done, now waiting for the flack. nite nite all you late lookers
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That's an interesting point of view, and I for one can see the argument has merit.
This is the same as the dilemma for many museums such as the NRM, now, do they recondition railway artifacts or leave as is and unusable, do they recon and keep the old bits to show the previous history..etc etc. I guess for OVP it's too late and it has moved on quite some way now. Knew the car at Longbridge, passed it every day at N gate. |
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morning Mike. first response, no flack good start. perhaps you or a mod can tell me why I cannot find my posting as of last nite. was trying to find it when u popped up. not very good at finding my way around the forum at times.
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well,well well. just had another look and there it is!. seems to have shown up after Mikes posting. Peter
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Interesting angle on this to be sure. But I think the original thrust of OVP apart from saving it from the crusher as one of the earliest examples that had a history, was to use it as a How-To project in renovation and restoration for members to walk through.
Also, having seen the car close up, it really doesn't do the marque any favours. BTW, if you ever want to quickly find any of your posts, click User CP (top left), then Your Profile then Statistics to get to 'Find all posts by pbaker' :smilie_re: All Posts By pbaker Or just find any post you've made, then click on your username to the left and from the drop down select 'find more post by pbaker' |
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My car is older than this one and has had some bumps since it came off the line 12th November 1998. It“s had a bump at the back and has been repaired with a new bumper and boot lid. The bumper is all one colour as are the reverse sensors. The boot lid has a lable with 2001 on it. MGR sold it in 2003 and I suspect the bump ocurred before they sold it. As this is a part of the cars history I will keep it like that. The car is in very good condition which was not the case with the club car.....:) |
This is a fundamental problem in all areas regarding restoration, be it for cars, trains, planes or buildings.
I remember chairing a seminar on this issue whilst at university, discussing the merits of restoring historic buildings to 'original' condition, or whether to preserve the 'added history' as it showed how it had been used and adapted through the ages, and also what to do with historic buildings going forward i.e. whether to leave them exactly as they are now or whether new alterations should be allow to continue the functionality of a building (after all they are built to be used, not as some giant museum piece). It was a very interesting debate, with a strong mix of opinions for/against (as always with archaeology students, lots of strong differing views, very little consensus!!). In the case of OVP, in it's current state it looks especially confused, with Rover and MG features making it look like some sort of illegitimate love-child. And with a car of it's age, it wouldn't really be able to pull off the 'used, patina' effect that would be acceptable on a car that is typically 30+ years old - OVP would just appear scruffy to most people, probably detracting from what it is, rather than creating any great interest for the car and model line. What is important in this case is to preserve the history of the car, much of which is in this sub-forum and could be presented on display boards alongside the finished car, so that it is not forgotten, and instead communicated to those who view the finished car. BTW no flak at all towards pbaker - he makes an extremely important point about preserving the history of OVP, although in this specific case I disagree about how it should be done, I definitely agree that the history must be preserved in some manner. |
What happened with the MOT? Not sure that this is the right place, but the OVP restoration thread is now closed?
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Out of interest Pab, what's the timescale (if any) for getting OVP out on the road? Although I am well aware that the NEC is out of the question, would an appearence at next years POL/National weekend be viable do you think?
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That is certainly the intention Jake. OVP was never going to make an appearence at this years NEC, Christopher was very clear on that point, and TBH I would have to agree, as the condition of the bodywork although illustrative of the life the car has had and the neglect it has suffered, would simply let the marque down at such an important event.
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Will the car be staying in down south or is it moving up to the North at some point? As I understand Pab is now overseeing the project? |
Yes Lates has been reimbursed for his time and work on OVP, and a new home for it while work is undertaken has been found by Pab close to him. We currently await the paperwork to get it taxed and insured for road use once more. Pab is your man on this project.
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P.s. What time is it over there, as I'm really confused - my PC, E-mail and phone are all giving me different times!:getmecoat: |
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Which means it must be now 01:39 for you Jake. Is there nothing doing on a Saturday night where you are then :drunk: :getmecoat:
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I also may have spent far too much money on parts for the cars as well....:getmecoat::D |
On Sunday morning having taken a few hours off from the club stand at the NEC, I made my way over to Dunchurch to meet up with Christopher.After a discussion the previous afternoon we decided to move the car to his house.
As previously stated the car now has a current MOT and the rest of the documentation is in order. The car was ready and waiting for our arrival having had a telephone conversation with Lates on Saturday evening.. http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/u...7964/007-3.jpg With Christopher behind the wheel I followed behind to make sure that everything went well,this is the first time the car has been on the open road under it's own steam in such a long time..and she looked quite at home on the open road. http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/u...7964/008-5.jpg The next stop is the body shop.. |
wow, looking good, a credit to you all
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what is the ultimate aim for the car, would be a shame if it was only viewed at a few shows
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That is undecided at this stage. I would imagine that the short term goal is to get it back to its former glory and bring it to Nationals and The NEC (when presentable enough).
At the end of the day it's a car, you either use it to drive around in on a daily basis, or keep it special for Sunday best. If driven lots, the miles would soon rack up and eventually it would have to be retired. Surely better to keep it as 'youthful' as possible especially as the years roll by. Preservation of a piece of car making heritage, much like the first and last 75's housed at Gaydon I would have thought is best for the 'old gal. |
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thats what i thought, couldnt you "lend" it to a car museum for safe keeping then use it take to national shows etc |
Mick,if you look through this forum which is dedicated to OVP,you will see it's not had the easiest life.The intention was never aimed to make the car a daily runner.
Once the car is back in a presentable condition it will be displayed at National meets,POL,where it can go back to it's former home and to as many local meets as possible for the benefit of the members,and perhaps a gallery could be compiled within these pages. The rest of the time it will remain in storage until the day of retirement looms. |
Arguably though why should the car be retired? As long as there's a club and a group of people dedicated to keeping it on the road, there's no reason why the car shouldn't be useable. Granted it may well have to have a head gasket or 2, but certainly rot will never be an issue.
Which when you consider that we still see P4/5/and 6's means that we should see Rover 75's still for a good few decades to come surely... |
Very true Jake,when i mention the word 'retired' that could be a long time away.The car is aimed at the pleasure of the members and while they want to see the car it will be available.
Engine wise,the car is as sweet as a nut.I was amazed at how smooth the engine sounded and Christopher mentioned it drove a treat. |
Any more photos of her.
I always wondered should she wear a set of alloys instead of the black steelies. :bowdown: |
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Regarding the wheels,she sits on a brand new set of steel wheels and branded tyres,the wheel trims are hard to find unlike a set of 15'' alloys. The restoration is to bring the car up to it's former glory and all the trim will be of the same as the original specification. |
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Not that it helps but a dealer in Helensburgh has a 54 plate Classic in ATM with them on. |
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_fr...75+wheel+trims
There are a few on ebay - I dont know what style OVP would have had originally, but this may help |
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They would have the facelift logo, though. Any good? I'll have a root in my shed if they are suitable. |
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I'll need a week or so to get a box for posting. Actually I'll probably try and get them couriered over as I'm in Ireland and the postage to the UK for a box like that would be excessive. |
Maybe we could find a way of getting them up to NI and I could post them over at a much cheaper cost.
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But that could take a while and its probably best to get them couriered. I expect an approximate cost of £20 (ish). |
I could ship them for £5 max using my parcel sites and stuff. :}
Maybe try parcel2go or senditnow as they opperate via royal mail and irish mail. |
Any more updates or progress about the old girl:}
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Not a great deal at the mo, but the car will be at the National Meet next month for all to see :}
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Sorry Stephen just the National. Christopher is bringing it on the Sunday, but is not certain he will be able to make it for POL too.
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If the POL is a possibility it will be looked into.
I noticed a pair of foglight blanking covers in the ''Freebies'' section,if my memory serves me correctly we were short of these. |
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Perhaps posting up a wanted list might help - I know just the section :p: |
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I'm going to the National Chris if that's any help????Bring them to the Metro & i'll take them off you for delivery down there :shrug:
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I will draw up a list of what is required,trim wise and get back to you. :) |
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Guys, I assume the interior is Ash Grey / Smokestone? If so, I will have 4 x Door Cards in clean condition from a "W" Reg (Just tracking down 4 x replacement cards for me) also if needed I have a complete headlining from the same "W" Reg in light smokestone to donate, Not sure what other bits I have lying around but if I have what you need consider it a done :)
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What we are really on the look out for most is a set of 15" steel wheel hub caps as fitted to the Classic. (First picture)
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...fa429c147b.jpg If anyone can help, please get in touch :bowdown: |
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http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-GRID001557 15" (6J) = £77 each and (6.5j) = £105 :O The Wheel trims are £31 each :shrug: Theres a Chap on Ebay selling a Wheel, maybe he has all four? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ROVER-75-S...item3f14219438 |
Good spot, but it's just the hub caps that are needed and that's the problem. £124 for a new set of four seems a little steep, and we already have the road wheels on the car. As you say, maybe a call to the seller to see if they'll let the hub caps go alone might be in order :shrug:
Because the majority of 75s were fitted with alloys, it actually makes it harder to track down this type of wheel trim especially at the breakers yard. |
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hiya Reebs, although not at all helpful (unless I turn to crime :p) but we have a Green X Plate 75 in at the Moment with these Hub Caps, it is teh first time I have ever seen a 75 with them on. I will keep my eye on the local breakers too, they have a few 75's in every few months |
Thanks Carl :bowdown: I've been on the lookout for sometime myself, but if we can get at extra 17,952 pairs of eyes on the case, maybe we'll have a better chance ;)
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I have kept a look out for these since first mentioned a while back. still never seen a 75 with steel wheels on though. I did have one b/new never been fitted original steel wheel and tyre for a while but its gone now.
likewise any wee bit I can help with just ask ;) |
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Apologies for the delay in getting back about the wheel trims.
Can someone PM the address to where I can the send the trims? I will get them couriered this week sometime. |
Did I miss something crucial :eek: have you got a set :drool4:
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A combination of forgetting about them and getting a suitable box has seen about 4 months pass :o |
Thanks :bowdown: PM coming ;)
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These wheel trims are rarer than the rarest alloys. :) |
Are these the correct trims you are looking for? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rover-75-w...item4d001c3681
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Am watching them. Do we know how much the buy it is ? ?
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Member CDTi has made a generous offer to supply us with a set of these,I'm not sure of the state of play,but perhaps he will update us shortly.
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CDTI has arranged a courier to deliver his set to us for Tuesday, so I think we are already sorted on these guys :bowdown:
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I shall pass the fog blanks and door stay onto Suzublu tomorrow - happy to help the good cause ;)
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I now have the bits kindly donated by Chris (mofo) for delivery to the National,for this old heap,sorry,fine early example:getmecoat::D
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The tracking on the wheel trims show their current location as Coventry.
Assuming that you guys in the UK have a Bank Holiday tomorrow, they should be delivered next Tuesday. |
Perhaps a 'Wanted for OVP' list in the OVP section?
This could also give us a kind of live update as to what is needed if we can see it in the list. |
The wheel trims arrived today folks and will be fitted to the old gal for Sunday :cool: Many thanks to CDTi :bowdown:
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Sorry I didn't clean them before despatch but you will have some nice Irish road muck on OVP now ;) |
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Paul, There is a set of wheel trims on Fleabay now: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rover-75-w...item4d001c3681 May be of use: And a new single item here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Ro...item2ebd10b6dc |
any chance of it making it to POL?
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Thanks Jeremy, but we are now sorted with the trims donated by CDTi :bowdown: |
Well she made her way to the National,albeit on a low loader.Many thanks to CDTi for the wheel trims and to Mofo for the fog light blanking covers.
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This was the first time I had seen it and was better than I expected!
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The car is suffering from fuel starvation,she will start and can be driven gently,but under acceleration she will cut,and become very difficult to start.
Andi Willi managed to get into the car with his Delphi Diagnostic equipment and discovered a few old fault codes which he printed off.Interrogating the car again nothing out of the ordinary showed up to concern us with the problem. http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/u...4/cbc37244.jpg http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/u...4/33913b9d.jpg The previous evening Sworks and myself discussed the issue and agreed that the fuel pump and possibly the filter could be the issue.The car had been stood for a great length of time with water in the fuel tank,which has probably damaged the pump. Also during the course of the cars life it will have been topped up with gerry cans containing contaminated fuel,so the filter could be clogged. The plan is to source a good second hand tank containing the pump and filter,which will be the easiest and cheapest option. |
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All these cars are worth saving and scrap yards are an easy option. |
Well if the car is so special,why doesn't the club just pay to have it restored:shrug: The club must make a few thousand a year in subs:shrug:Or is that for something else:shrug:
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The "club" is a limited company, not a club in the classic sense.
I'm not saying that's bad, it's just not very clear (at least it wasn't when I was searching) :) |
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Tough question obviously:shrug:only been a few years:shrug:Where does the money go :shrug:
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Someone even cleaned them :D. |
Good to see that she made it to the show.The old girl is starting to take shape.:}
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Due to the word "club" in the name, a lot of people assume that this is a none profit making collaboration of enthusiasts, which is understandable. It's for this kind of reason the law changed in 2007 requiring limited companies to include on their website the company name, their registered address and company registration number. I think it would be much clearer to members if this information was included on the site. Anyway, this is off topic, no more from me :) |
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I see that the -free- wheel trims managed to get onto the car for the meet, looks much better. Just get a member to spray the front and donate a nice grill |
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I made a comment on this car some time ago. I think that making OVP look like it has just come from the assembly line has lost its history, the history being what it became and did at the factory. it has no curiosity value now. it is now becoming another well looked after car!. top marks for all those making it mechanicaly fit and sound, changing all the cosmetic odd bits just makes another car. I was not able to go to the meets but I hope there is a photographic history of it. thats my rant over, good night to all Peter
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Thats true, if it was stickered up as a "longbridge" safety vehicle it would be good banter ;)
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Can still be done. Either that or made up as it was on the numerous photo shoots. (police etc). That it was let to rot by our eastern friends should of course be documented
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It would just be nice to see this motor in one piece and finished.:)
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While its in Donny I'd be happy to help on a weekend if Andy needs another pair of hands etc...I'm very good with a kettle!
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Hasn't OVP won some type of award for being the longest 75 to be held on retention:confused:
What condition is it in now out of interest. Edit. I'm starting to feel sorry for it. Like a boat out of water. |
Jay the poor running issue (which caused it to arrive on a trailer for the National) has been fixed as of last Tuesday.
The fuel tank had a gallon of mud and rubbish in there so Christopher tells us, the fuel filter was on the verge of collapse so a replacement tank/pump/filter combo has been put in and the old fuel for the most part discarded as it was so contaminated. It ticks over and pulls fine now and Christopher has taken it for a good run to road test it. The car is taxed and insured so not on retention as such. What it needs now is a bodyshop quote or two. Cleaning and cosmetic refurb now required as I understand it. Hope that helps. |
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The boss has sent me a picture too. It's had a clean and is no longer on the lawn :getmecoat:
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...c.jpg~original A list of missing bits is being compiled this week I'm told, and we've had lots of offers of help with this from various members so thanks for that :bowdown: |
It just needs an auto opening boot:D:D Then it would be easier to load the spare parts into:D
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so why have we not had a reply from your boss
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Just a question, but did they come out with skullcap wingmirrors and then changed to bullets, then back to skullcaps?
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