MOT Advisories
Interested in knowing peoples opinions on a R75 Diesel 2002 with 90k miles and the following advisories at last MOT, that I am looking to buy
Advisory notice item(s) Nearside Side repeater slightly discoloured (1.4.A.2f) Offside Front Suspension arm rubber bush deteriorated but not resulting in excessive movement (2.4.G.2) Front Sub-frame corroded but not seriously weakened (2.4.G.1) Rear Sub-frame corroded but not seriously weakened (2.4.G.1) Nearside Rear Brake pipe slightly corroded (3.6.B.2c) Offside Front Brake pipe slightly corroded (3.6.B.2c) Nearside Rear Road wheel with a slightly distorted bead rim (4.2.A.1a) Offside Rear brake disc worn, pitted or scored, but not seriously weakened (3.5.1i) fuel tank straps rusty Offside Play in steering rack inner joint(s) () Nearside Rear Shock absorber has slight corrosion to the casing (2.7.2a) Offside Rear Shock absorber has slight corrosion to the casing (2.7.2a) Nearside Rear coil spring corroded (2.4.C.1b) Offside Rear coil spring corroded (2.4.C.1b) Nearside Rear Suspension arm corroded but not seriously weakened (2.4.G.1) Offside Rear Suspension arm corroded but not seriously weakened (2.4.G.1) |
Walk away, there has to be better, unless it's free.
Sounds like both subframes will need attention as well as all suspension components in the near future. There's loads of cars for sale, this sounds like a lemon |
Unless the advisories have been dealt with, then some of those are expensive fixes, the last two for instance are £240 in parts alone.
Front subframe, unless you are very unlucky, Cliff "Teflon" springs to mind here, are not an issue, rear subframe, well I've seen these with barnacles on the outside and still be structurally sound, but it does make for a challenge when renewing the bits that are attached to it ;) I would keep looking, there will be better cars waiting out there :) Brian :D |
I'm surprised he has bothered to comment on so many parts with presumably surface corrosion - not unusual on underside parts of 15 year old cars. No corrosion in sills, no broken springs, no leaking shock absorbers, no dangerously corroded/leaking brake pipes. Most 2 year old + rear discs seem to get those comments in my experience, they always have rust or pitting, unless you drive on your brakes! I'm surprised there is play in the inner steering joints, at only 90,000 miles, but it obviously isn't bad enough to warrant a fail, but it will be easy enough to tell on a test drive. By no means a lemon - if it has more than 6months MoT on it, you have time to get underneath, clean up and repaint most of the "corroded" parts. But if you are buying it for however little, it would be worth getting under it first to check just what the tester meant.
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The tester is certainly doing a CYA (Google it) on that one!
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My wife's car, low mileage, bodywork sound, but the bits underneath are quite frankly vile, something that has been worked upon on a running basis, front subframe replaced when the clutch was replaced, springs replaced front and rear, inner tie rods replaced, the next one will be a refurbished rear subframe along with new upper and lower arms. Every bolt has been a chore to remove, not one has come out without a fight, and it won't be a clean up and paint exercise on the rear suspension components of this car....that's for certain. Current mileage is less than most for the year, and here is the history.... Date tested 20 October 2017 PASS Mileage 69,809 miles MOT test number 6616 6172 6308 Test location View test location Expiry date 27 October 2018 Advisory notice item(s) Offside Play in steering rack inner joint(s) () What are advisories? Date tested 27 October 2016 PASS Mileage 68,439 miles MOT test number 7040 3583 7317 Test location View test location Expiry date 27 October 2017 Date tested 23 October 2015 PASS Mileage 66,371 miles MOT test number 3803 2715 5534 Test location View test location Expiry date 27 October 2016 Date tested 23 October 2014 PASS Mileage 64,768 miles MOT test number 2452 2619 4254 Test location View test location Expiry date 27 October 2015 Advisory notice item(s) Nearside Front Track rod end ball joint has slight play (2.2.B.1f) What are advisories? Date tested 28 October 2013 PASS Mileage 63,189 miles MOT test number 4264 0150 3340 Test location View test location Expiry date 27 October 2014 Advisory notice item(s) Offside Front Brake pipe slightly corroded (3.6.B.2c) Nearside Front Suspension arm rubber bush deteriorated but not resulting in excessive movement (2.4.G.2) Offside Front Suspension arm rubber bush deteriorated but not resulting in excessive movement (2.4.G.2) What are advisories? Date tested 22 May 2012 PASS Mileage 61,645 miles MOT test number 9474 7384 2127 Test location View test location Expiry date 21 May 2013 Advisory notice item(s) Brake pipe slightly corroded (3.6.B.2c) Ball joint has slight play (2.2.B.1f) front brake discs slightly pitted back box slightly corroded What are advisories? Date tested 17 May 2012 FAIL Mileage 61,595 miles MOT test number 1955 5893 2153 Test location View test location Reason(s) for failure Nearside Front Windscreen wiper does not clear the windscreen effectively (8.2.2) Nearside Front Brake pipe excessively corroded (3.6.B.2c) Offside Front Brake pipe excessively corroded (3.6.B.2c) Brake pipe excessively corroded (3.6.B.2c) Advisory notice item(s) Brake pipe slightly corroded (3.6.B.2c) Ball joint has slight play (2.2.B.1f) front brake discs slightly pitted back box slightly corroded What are failures and advisories? Date tested 17 May 2011 PASS Mileage 56,508 miles MOT test number 2660 9703 1109 Test location View test location Expiry date 16 May 2012 Advisory notice item(s) Brake pipe slightly corroded (3.6.B.2c) What are advisories? Date tested 16 May 2011 FAIL Mileage 56,508 miles MOT test number 5195 2603 1198 Test location View test location Reason(s) for failure Offside Front Track rod end ball joint has excessive play (2.2.B.1f) Advisory notice item(s) Brake pipe slightly corroded (3.6.B.2c) What are failures and advisories? Date tested 13 May 2010 PASS Mileage 50,926 miles MOT test number 8715 7303 0103 Test location View test location Expiry date 12 May 2011 Advisory notice item(s) Brake pipe slightly corroded (3.6.B.2c) Ball joint has slight play (2.2.B.1f) Front brake disc worn, pitted or scored, but not seriously weakened (3.5.1i) nearside front wing mirror missing What are advisories? Date tested 25 April 2009 PASS Mileage 42,969 miles MOT test number 4430 2521 9178 Test location View test location Expiry date 28 April 2010 Advisory notice item(s) Nearside Front Brake pipe slightly corroded (3.6.B.2c) Brake pipe slightly corroded (3.6.B.2c) What are advisories? Date tested 29 April 2008 PASS Mileage 36,118 miles MOT test number 9119 6022 8129 Test location View test location Expiry date 28 April 2009 Advisory notice item(s) Nearside Front Brake pipe slightly corroded (3.6.B.2c) Offside Rear Brake pipe slightly corroded (3.6.B.2c) What are advisories? Date tested 24 October 2007 PASS Mileage 34,713 miles MOT test number 3629 6769 7490 Test location View test location Expiry date 23 October 2008 The thing is, the car drives beautifully and it's quite easy to see why these were fairly desirable new, however the work I'm about to embark upon in preparation for the upcoming MOT, puts the car firmly in the beyond economical to repair category, and that's with no labour charges, and hefty discount on parts. If you own one of these cars, then you have a manageable amount of work to keep it in good order, two, well ok still no problem, but three, or four, or five, or indeed as I have at the moment six to care for, then there will be a time when juggling all of them will become impossible. Never mind, my new two post ramp arrives on Thursday, so I can play underneath the car in comfort :drool4: Brian :D |
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Cars from the north are definitely ropier in general, compared to ones from the south Phil :cool: |
I would hope the tester would have enough experience to find and fail serious rust. I haven't looked at this car's MoT history to see what is a long-term problem, or what has been changed already. True, coastal cars rust from the salty atmosphere, and Edinburgh's proximity to the Forth might well do that. I guess if it's not too far away, it's worth going to check it out. You certainly have plenty of information to knock down the price! It all depends on what you expect/want for the money. I paid £850 for mine, with full MoT; some of those advisory descriptions could have applied to mine, if the tester wanted to c.h.a. But I've had a good look underneath, and the rust on the arms and subframes IS just surface. PS I don't consider mine a bargain, nor do I feel I was ripped off by the dealer. It has had its faults, but I am getting my money's worth out of it.
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When I lived in Shetland it wasn't uncommon for a car less than 10 years old to be scrapped due to corrosion.
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