Fitting a new maf sensor & PCV filter
I have been having issues with my 2.0 diesel tourer for about 10 months now, if i really think back not extra special MPG always feeling sluggish but the power was there if i booted it just that nice smoothness missing in the low revs and speeds, oh and the heart pulsating feeling of pulling out from junctions and roundabouts it is only over the last 5-7 weeks that the car as been surging, ie losing power as though it was going to stop cut out only to kick forward if i pressed the gas pedal a bit more cruising at say 30/50/70 you would still get the stopping dead feeling then surge forward.
Asked on the forums and read up a bit about this and was given the answer its the MAF so at our recent Nano meet on the 11th March i was given the chance to get her on a T4 session with Duncan :hail: to check out any faults and sure enough the MAF was reading wrong unplugged it at the Nano took her for a drive seemed to pick up and feel better, so new MAF needed purchased one from Eurocarparts (not cheap but a must have )below is how i fitted the MAF and the PCV filter at the same time enjoy Arctic. Fig one remove the engine cover three bolts 8mm https://i.imgur.com/SLjjfVNl.jpg1 https://i.imgur.com/CqaVUXRl.jpg2 https://i.imgur.com/I1dQIzEl.jpg3 Fig Four once bolts out remove the engine cover and put in a safe place for re-fitting at end of the job https://i.imgur.com/5l3GVsEl.jpg4 Fig four & five remove the two screws holding the air intake pipe https://i.imgur.com/F4KqwXRl.jpg4 https://i.imgur.com/IDWzwZXl.jpg5 Fig six & seven pull air intake pipe from the air filter cover this is easy as the concertina ridges will allow this https://i.imgur.com/13rgoCSl.jpg6 https://i.imgur.com/EcLhIiXl.jpg7 Fig eight/nine/ten/eleven shows the Allen bolts which secures the air filter cover, which needs to be removed to change the MAF and also the PCV filter there are five. Rear right corner looking at it from front of engine https://i.imgur.com/3DNdisUl.jpg8 Rear left and back by the MAF 5ml Allen https://i.imgur.com/3DNdisUl.jpg9 https://i.imgur.com/ZzpQhbOl.jpg10 Three at the front of the cover https://i.imgur.com/NyxZK0vl.jpg11 These bolts are captive so you cannot lose them. Fig Twelve remove oil filler cap https://i.imgur.com/awRFUUCl.jpg12 Fig Thirteen you can now remove the air filter cover and put it safe with the engine cover removed earlier. https://i.imgur.com/PDgtv31l.jpg13 Fig Fourteen you now have access to the air filter PCV filter housing and the MAF sensor, refit the oil filler cap to stop anything falling into the engine. https://i.imgur.com/Cduv3Tfl.jpg14 Fig Fifteen the MAF sensor plug and casing https://i.imgur.com/o81uQ8zl.jpg15 Fig Sixteen/seventeen unplug the MAF sensor wire press in both sides and pull up. https://i.imgur.com/J8MBDA9l.jpg16 https://i.imgur.com/4rNS9iQl.jpg17 Fig Eighteen/nineteen release the two retaining clips, and disconnect from the turbocharger duct which hold it to the maf housing https://i.imgur.com/dfcgvARl.jpg18 https://i.imgur.com/xMF5tN8l.jpg19 Fig Twenty remove the air filter from its housing, as this is attached to the MAF https://i.imgur.com/uzxogIhl.jpg20 Fig twenty one pull the turbocharger duct from the MAF housing, you may not have to remove the duct from turbo charger below, i did just to show how it fits, all push fix, thread it out carefully if you do remove it. https://i.imgur.com/yB1N5bol.jpg21 fig Twenty two/three/four/five slacken and remove the two Torx screws top right and bottom left top right Torx https://i.imgur.com/GT3yNK9l.jpg22 use long nose pliers to grip the torx screws as it nears the end coming out so not to lose it in engine below. https://i.imgur.com/GT3yNK9l.jpg23 Bottom left torx https://i.imgur.com/UqaGv4dl.jpg24 Fig twenty five with torx screws removed you can now also remove the MAF with its housing. https://i.imgur.com/UqaGv4dl.jpg25 Fig twenty six mine looks like it's had the sensor removed before. either to clean it or be changed but not the housing, and not in my ownership. https://i.imgur.com/OxSTpyOl.jpg26 Fig twenty seven/eight old and new side by side https://i.imgur.com/yKtdV2Ul.jpg27 https://i.imgur.com/YdWIIP9l.jpg28 Fig Twenty nine new maf sensor fitted https://i.imgur.com/XJydYitl.jpg29 Fig Thirty refit the turbocharger duct and hose easiest way to do this is remove the little hose from the duct. https://i.imgur.com/tbQN6YDl.jpg30 Fig Thirty one hose removed from the duct so it can be lowered down and on to the turbo charger it is a push fixing, remember you don't have to remove the duct to fir a new MAF, it can just be pulled back enough to fit it. https://i.imgur.com/q1efA5El.jpg31 Fig Thirty two shows the two fixing points for the duct hose https://i.imgur.com/ixGborZl.jpg32 Fig Thirty three/four hose re-fitted also push fix https://i.imgur.com/xxFGVbOl.jpg33 https://i.imgur.com/YCDfZjql.jpg34 Fig Thirty five plug the wiring back onto the MAF sensor. https://i.imgur.com/NTHUGlHl.jpg35 The MAF sensor is now fitted and refitting of the air filter and engine cover etc is the reverse of removal unless like me you are going to change the PCV filter at the same time this is shown in the next post section. Arctic. PCV fitting with out removing the fuel return hoses follow on link from above https://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/for...71&postcount=7 Photos reinstated, 21/11/23 |
When you are done, let me know and I'll do the usual :D:bowdown:
BTW - what is the "card" on your thumb for? :shrug:;) |
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Sorry to read that, it's a bad day when we lose friends :(
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Ah! But what is a thumb compared to a life? ;) However I know what you mean,..... and your sterling work is much appreciated :}:bowdown::D
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PCV filter fitting
Carrying on from the fitting of the maf sensor i decided to change the PCV filter at the same time even though i only changed it 8-10months ago at only £8.99 its worth it in my eyes anyway so here goes.
To replace the PCV with out removing the fuel line and clips first unscrew the three retaining screws then disconnect the injector wiring plugs and move the harness to one side follow the pics below. Fig one remove the three screws 5mm socket worked for me on the star screws. https://i.imgur.com/VqUV4wal.jpg1 Fig two screws removed from there fixings https://i.imgur.com/p2ou9F1l.jpg2 Fig three unplug the injector wiring harness four just squeeze on the tang, you could use a small screw driver to open the tang and pull off. https://i.imgur.com/fG1HgjRl.jpg3 Fig four set harness to one side out of the way https://i.imgur.com/AvQJu0Rl.jpg4 Fig five/six unscrew the four Allen screws so you can remove the PCV filter valve housing https://i.imgur.com/WCVqcCRl.jpg5 https://i.imgur.com/0qPfvMzl.jpg6 Fig seven remove the filter housing by lifting and twisting toward you or the front of the car carefully no rush it should come away nicely without having to unclip any fuel return hoses thus not braking those little T junctions https://i.imgur.com/6NRiDgel.jpg7 Fig eight clean and check the rubber gaskets seals or change for new ones. https://i.imgur.com/aPLlXxKl.jpg8 Fig my old and new filter, this is only 8-10months old still soft a wet not hard so in theory did not need changng but hey why not. https://i.imgur.com/tJ6BaZNl.jpg9 Fig then clean inside the valve fit new rubber O- ring https://i.imgur.com/CJObz7cl.jpg10 Fig eleven fit new filter push home over the O ring and pushdown the plastic holder https://i.imgur.com/XR77BjJl.jpg11 Fig twelve refit the PCV valve by tilting reverse of removal carefully again no rush making sure not to disturb the fuel return hoses. https://i.imgur.com/MiCTJtYl.jpg12 Fig thirteen refit the four Allen screws corners first then the rear and front https://i.imgur.com/X8B8U5ul.jpg13 Fig fourteen replace or fit new air filter again i fitted new one even though it did not need it, why not i am fussy. https://i.imgur.com/rKHzDb2l.jpg14 Fig fifteen refit the air filter cover starting at the right rear corner this can be fiddly once started do not screw home as the others have to be lined up. https://i.imgur.com/JROdkk4l.jpg15 Fig sixteen fit the others there are five remember two at the back corners and three at the front top. https://i.imgur.com/EV8mkHwl.jpg16 Fig seventeen refit air intake pipe push fit https://i.imgur.com/nzSSOBil.jpg17 Fig eighteen refit two screws holding the air intake pipe housing https://i.imgur.com/vcwP8Pfl.jpg18 Fig nineteen/twenty refit the engine cover three bolts tidy up your tools wash hands take the car for a nice drive check out the smoothness and new power https://i.imgur.com/rqhG3Ndl.jpg19 https://i.imgur.com/oZ4CQ9Pl.jpg20 Jobs a good one happy motoring again :clap: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAND-ROVER...72.m2749.l2649 Photos re-instated 22/11/23 time 02-06 |
very good post and how to, arctic, but i don't know how you managed it without the long nosed pliers you left in my car:D:D:D
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Was those the really long ones if so i have a feeling they are the ones i borrowed off trebor thats the only trouble with going from one car to another :D we need to set up some sort of an assembly line at the next nano :D :bowdown: cheers for letting me know i am sure they will make there way back home in the near future Arctic. |
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hi arctic, no they're not what i would call long, just normal, but i will bring to pol on 14th:}thanks again for help on sunday
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Excellent work lad .;) |
Yes they will be mine but I hadn't missed them , you will be after my new socket set next I suppose !
Nice posts Steve which will help a few members with a couple of jobs that will be needed on most diesels, hope these have been copied to the how to section |
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Some good pictures there including the war wound :D
Don't know how many times I've found blood dripping from a cut whilst doing something not realising I'd caught my hand on something, although I certainly did with my latest one, dislocated finger and a pressure wound on another when I got my hand trapped when an electric front window lowered unexpectedly (blooming lazy lock and vent,* note to self unplug the window motor when working on a door catch ;)) Russ |
Thanks for the "how to" Arctic. I may have to use it next week.
Following advice that a duff MAF was the likely cause of a rough and "growling" engine between about 1800 -2000 rpm I disconnected it. The yellow engine light came on aas expected but the car performed as before - no difference. Yesterday I reconnected it but the light stayed on and still no diffence to performance. Today I drove 200 miles on motorway at. My mpg at constant 70 (auto cdti) was 49 mpg. I was told by the garage that changed the transmission fluid that the MAF was a bit down on voltage but I don't understand why there is no apparent difference when disconnected and why the engine light stays on. Should I be looking for something else gone wrong? Should I also change the PCV filter on a 28k miles engine (what's it for anyway)? Any advice would be appreciated, thanks. |
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Hi Artic, many thanks for the how to maf and pcv. Having just purchased my 2004 cdt automatic and being totally unfamiliar with the engine followed your advice. My pvc has no filter, just a plastic baffle, is this a 'new' type of pcv v/v? Still having accelleration problems - put foot down to overtake, takes 1-2 seconds before accelleration and even then very slow in comparison to my Rover 618 auto. Have cleaned maf, erg, new air filter, oil change, pcv. Any advice appreciated.
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You can check the MAF operation simply by unplugging it - if it improves with it unplugged, then your MAF is faulty. Also worth doing your intercooler O rings, fitting the Viton ones. |
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You may have the none filter PCV housing this you would need to check if not yours maybe missing as it should be a cage with a blue filter round it as in pic below. http://i46.tinypic.com/8yasye.jpg Also check and change the O-rings as stated link is here http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...ad.php?t=81279 I was having the same problem as you in the end it was misfiring and even when travelling at 70mph it would sort of hold back slow down then surge forward i changed the maf and car is great again more pick up more MPG you can get a genuine MAF from eurocarparts using the clubs 25% discount and the toytal cost was £157 but make sure its the genuine Bosch On my box it had as below Bosch 1 ST/Pc 0 928 400 520 434 75 0400 BIN :VC0821 0928 400 520 22/09/11 808877 Air Mass Sensor Rover 75 I picked this up from local Eurocarparts or you can purchase on line make sure you use the 25% discount if you decide you need one which i think you find you will as stated also unplug the maf and see if it drivers better, cheers Arctic |
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Did the MAF check, there was no appreciable difference. |
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Re link thank you, this is now in my R 75 folder and is on my 'immediate' to do list, parts ordered from Rimmers. No problems with Maf sensor,(have recently contacted Jules for Maf), managed to get the car on a diagnostic, ( Delphi 150E), engine and autobox fully clear with no fault :). All historic faults cleared, car ran a little better but not perfect. Checked autobox fluid - black and smelly- ordered from Rimmers and changed yesterday, again a small improvement. Buttttttt disaster !! decided to check out the throttle connector - just wiggled the top connector, couldn't get it separated so left it - when I went to start the car the accelerator wouldn't work, just engine idle at 700 rpm and engine warning light !!!!! big panic !!!! :shrug:. To cut a long story short I eventually removed the accelerator pedal assembly stripped off the small side cover,checked the circuitry and found no continuity on 3 junctions so soldered the 6 small wires to the connector pins. Put the assembly back, started engine - no fault light so went for a test drive and guess what:D hey presto, acceleration now as smooth as silk with great thrust- like a new car !!!!! :):):):):). The soldering is only a temporary fix and the car is now laid up until my new replacement comes next Thursday. I really could not believe how flimsy the design was - those six wires that bridge the resistor board to the connector socket are only a spring loaded connection !!!!!! AGAIN I REPEAT TO ALL CLUB MEMBERS- DO NOT DRIVE CAR WITH THIS TEMPORARY FIX AS THERE IS SERIOUS LIFE ENDANGERMENT !!!!! |
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Regards Ray |
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Arctic's picture is of the filter that goes in the ORIGINAL type of PCV. The latest ones DO NOT have a filter, simply 2 chambers, as you have described yours. Hope this helps. |
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(Hi Ray. You may have the none filter PCV housing. This you would need to check if not yours maybe missing as it should be a cage with a blue filter round it as in pic below.) emphasis on check to make sure its the filterless one and that the filter is just not missing ;) |
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Sorry Arctic & Ray. 'Twas me who misread your reply Arctic:o and 'tis also better to be safe than sorry. There's a pic of the later type in this thread, if it's any help. BMW part number is B11.12.7.799.224 http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...ad.php?t=35107 |
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Great to get advice from you guys - Thanks again :) |
Arctic - Thanks for the (almost) idiot-proof guide to changing the PCV filter :bowdown:
I say almost because this idiot managed to have a problem doing it... I got all the way to fig 7 - removing the filter housing but where you say "it should come away nicely without having to unclip any fuel return hoses" that's not how it happens for me. I've undone the bolts and the housing starts to lift up nice and easy but the 'bulge' next to your thumb in the picture just won't slip past the fuel hose. I'm really wary about damaging them but no matter if i pull straight up, to the left, right, whatever it just doesn't want to come away so i can change the filter any ideas anyone? :shrug: |
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Ok dont panic you will have to lift the first three T joints because the fuel pipe must be jammed between the body and fixing point so follow the first how to i did below take care not to break the T piece you can also unplug each wire from the injector to make it even more easier for you hope this helps Arctic. https://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=84265 http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...5&d=1342046748 http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...6&d=1342046783 http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...7&d=1342046810 http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...8&d=1342046841 |
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Alex you will need to tease the T joints out carefully with a thin flat screwdriver or pull up straight holding centre of the T joint not the edges you do not want to break these at any cost remove the spring clips to make it even easier, once you have replaced the filter and you are ready to fit the fuel pipe back make sure they are fully pushed home cheers Arctic ;)
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Ok dont panic you will have to lift the first three T joints because the fuel pipe must be jammed between the body and fixing point so follow the first how to i did below take care not to break the T piece you can also unplug each wire from the injector to make it even more easier for you hope this helps Arctic. https://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=84265[/QUOTE] Genius!! thanks for that! If the weather is fine again tomorrow (and that's a big if) I'll get back under the bonnet and finish the job |
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i would point out that the fuel return line part looks to be the most difficult point in the pics above, ... until that is, i found once the retaining clips were removed, you can push a button in on the 4 caps on which the 'T' pipes sit upon & pull it up- the whole cap & T pipe all lift off - makes it all much easier & no risk of breaking it! |
Steve did you get a noticable difference in mpg after this job was done?
I must disconnect my maff to test it too... Definatley seems a bit sluggish at lower revs... I remember having a maff issue on my old citroen c5 and performance and mpg definatley improved... |
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Yes mpg jumped up about 6 mpg and no more heart in the mouth pulling out of junctions and round abouts, with the new clutch fitted also now she moves really swift :D |
Hi Arctic , just fitted a PCV filter and rubbers thanks for your info and photos , couldn't believe the state the old filter was in , Thanks
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Excellent have a go at changing your O-rings if they need doing also very easy, and clean out the EGR and manifold also MAP sensor it all helps ;) Arctic |
HI Arctic,
Thank you for a very helpful post, I am a new owner of a 2.0 cdt connie, I only bought the car from a nice man in Stockport at weekend a nice price, 116 bhp, I knew the car was underpowered but Was very Happy with the deal as the car has been well looked after and is a credit to the previous owner, Ive done all of the above work and i have not had the car a week yet. and re-mapped the car and she runs like a dream. I think Ive got the Rover Bug badly. |
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Welcome to the club it wont be long before you are doing mods etc, with the Autum and winter upon us now don't forget to check the plenums and also do the spy hole mod you may even want to make one of the meets so you can meet like minded people cheers Arctic ;) |
I change the PCV on any diesel 75 or ZT I buy - always comes out really dirty and seems to make the engine feel much 'happier'.
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I have reinstated the photos for this early this morning 21/11/23 as requested Jeremy, have fun.
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Thank you very much Arctic. I'll let you know how I get on but it will depend on the weather over here in the west of Ireland! Regards Jeremy
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Just reading it all through, Arctic, and I can't help feeling that the reinstatement of the pictures for the PCV fitting would also be really useful. I might change this at the same time, you see! Jeremy
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Ok go on then :D https://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/for...71&postcount=7 |
You're on for a Guinness any time you pass this way! Many thanks. Jeremy
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Thanks i could do with a bit of iron in my body, but has i am a tea total i will have to stick too the below ;) liver red meat. beans, such as red kidney beans, edamame beans and chickpeas. nuts. dried fruit – such as dried apricots. fortified breakfast cereals. soy bean flour. |
I respect that! But you can get a very acceptable Guinness 0.0% these days in most pubs. And if that fails, the wife's pie, which contains exactly the ingredients you list, is to die for (or from' I can't quite remember!).😉
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