Heat shield.
 

Hi, can anyone help me locate a rear bumper RH exhaust heat shield,:bowdown: thanks Mike.

They are like rocking horse poo! :dung:

Check out this item I found on eBay: http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...d=231033710458

Happy bidding :D:D:D
Nothing to do with me.

£165!!!!!!!! :shrug: I'd better cut the thread on mine.

With 3 days to go :eek::eek::eek:

You get a lefthand one too :D

Another V8 wannabee?? :getmecoat:

I bought one of those a few years back for £30. Sold it earlier in the year for £30, can't remember who to. They received a good bargain!

Ended at £177.46, expensive heatshield, includes free bumper :eek:

Bargain! :eek::eek::eek:

Fool easily parted from his money. :shrug:

Would have been if I hadn't been outbid :mad:

What was your bid??? £20 :D:D:D

Nope £170 ish iirc

Wow. There was a bumper on eBay a few months ago with both on buy it now £60 but when I phoned MIJ they wanted stupid money to put the other back box on so I didn't bother. Wish I did now knowing how much they go for.

I know, I asked seller to remove the right hand shield and ill pay the full price, it was in Wales and would not post! He wouldn't split it though!!

Surely there must be someone with connections in a metal fab. place,who can press the trim out,for both facelift & mk1 bumpers:shrug: I mean,how hard can it be :shrug::D

Would have to have tooling made Ronnie, not cheap! then a minimum order etc etc...

I agree Trebor has some power fold gears being made it required a high minimum order and tooling costs. You would have the same problem and with fewer customers I would have thought it would make the final item expensive. However it might be worth dropping him a PM as he has also has Mg/Rover Gill badges made and may have a contact.

The badge manufacturers wont be able to do this, and as said above the tooling costs and minimum order will be the stumbling block i guess

CNC would be the best way to go.

rh heatshield
 

Hi,Ibought the heatshields in wales,asked him to post me the heatshields and he could keep the bumper. he said okay, so now got my longlife duplex on the car

Maybe it's me but shouldn't a duplex (or quad) exhaust be the territory of a V8. Just as MG / Rover designed it to be?

There is a reason the O/S heat shields are made out of unobtanium :)

Wouldnt post them to me! :mad:

could not find a RH heat shield , so made my own out of scrap stainless .

Well done I like that.:}

Ronnie

I enquired about getting some done, and they have not got the tooling to press, and would have to be machined out of aluminium billet, and cost was going to be around £200 each for a minimum of 10

Stu

Andy

I got a car for just a little bit more than that :bowdown::bowdown::D:D:bowdown:

http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/...ps408d5ca4.jpg

Stu

Ooooooohhhhh you bitch lol

I'm after one of these as well, they are indeed rocking horse poo.

I've a 1.8T pushing 204bhp and I may be looking at getting some forging done to permit a bigger turbo. See if I can beat the V8 ;)

Could these not be homemade using a mould of the lhs one.
Make a mould from plaster.
Then pour in a rubberised or Maliable material. Along lines of bluetac. Or even flour and water?
Offer up to rhs to allow you to adjust the shape. Allow to harden then make new mould from plaster and so on?

Looks brilliant mate, where did you get the stainless steel from to make those? :}

Think your gearbox will let you down :)

Besides, power is not everything, getting it on the road is. 1.8 T with FWD outperforming a 260?...........Doubtful but stranger things have happened:D

And the 260 isn't fast by modern standards, but gets the power down quite nicely once rolling

funny, having owned all the models in the range, the 1.8T is my preferred option for tuning.
you won't need anywhere near 260bhp to outrun a standard 260. Weight ;)

But of course, I wait to be proven wrong when my VVC Hybrid Turbo'ed 1.8T with a weak gearbox is on the road ;)

Didn't know you have owned a 260 as well.
What did you think of it?

Trying to shave 3 secs. of the 0-60 with a 1.8T to beat a 260 seems a tall order

1.8T in your case 204 BHP and 1500kg = 1 BHP / 7.35 kg
260 in my case 275 BHP and 1750kg = 1 BHP / 6.36 kg

Go figure who has a better power to weight ratio

You'll need to get up to 235BHP to match that :)

compared to making a 600Ti faster than a Lamborghini Diablo was a tall order but acheived ;)

I've had two ZT260's. I love the sound of the V8 but I felt they were very heavy to get going. I'm sure an SC version with 400bhp would be much more like what the chassis was designed for.

the 1.8T is much lighter and once they are rolling, the FWD bit is much less of an issue.
Gearbox should be fine tbh, it's the bottom end which may need some more work, but after the VVC head with all it's custom work and the blower are done, i'll of either blown the bottom end or be already building up a forged unit.
There are so many tuning parts out there that people forget they were used in Lotus and Caterham's for many years. They can be made very very quick.
All fun and games but I feel if you want more involved fun driving then a tuned 1.8 is the one to have. If you want a factory sedate but smooth driver then the 4.6v8 is hard to beat.
Now if only they'd got round to putting the 5Lv8 engine in, then we'd be talking. Check out Sean Hyland built crate engines. Been tempted but with so few 260's around, they are one of the few cars I think should remain factory spec but you will have to agree it's quite old technology on them but to me, that was the original attraction - a classic muscle car in a nice shell.

Good job my spec is for more than that then :drool4:

I like to keep mine as standard as possible but have some standard upgrades.
Fast enough for daily use, good in gear acceleration and it turns heads.

I'm sure the 1.8T can be made faster but at what cost?

As far as involvement goes, the 260 is pretty good on the twisties and quite balanced as well. Suspension set-up is good for a car this size and weight.

Good to know that different cars in the same range can still create different emotions

Increasing the performance of a 1.8 to beat a 4.6 is an interesting idea which I'm sure can be achieved,but I would be concerned as to the reliability of the car and I can't imagine it would be any cheaper to run than a V8 in that state of tune .

I don't think the main focus of the 260 is on performance although that of course can be upgraded to nearer 400hp, and beyond that if you have the money.

Anyway good luck on your project.

Thanks Rick stainless sheet came from a scrap metal dealer they were off cuts.

Cool thanks mate :)

I'm going to experiment with a MKII ZR heat shield.
They're fairly similar to the MKII ZT's heats shield plus they're fitted on the right side so the associated slopes are in the correct places.

Has anyone ever tried this?

Not sure what the ZR ones are like but I know that the ZS ones aren't as wide so would imagine it's the same for the ZR ones

Is there anyway I could find out the dimensions?
Would any parts site have them?

How much shorter was the ZS shield?

I'd guess about 50mm shorter, you wouldn't get twin pipes between it iirc

ZS heat shield is quite a bit shorter [IMG]http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j2.../Photo0138.jpg[/IMG]

The ZR one actually looks bigger than the ZS and it's shape is far more similar to the ZT IMO.

a ZR one is wide enough to fit a double outlet exhaust like the ZT, So its wide enough. But I don't think the shape of it is right and the design is quite different to the ZT's. Theres more screws on a MK1 ZR Heatshield than on a ZT as you can see below.

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_..._large.jpg?v=0

However a MKII Heatshield looks quite similar to a ZT MkII heatshield.

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6488/35891237.png

RIck

ZR... http://i.ebayimg.com/t/ROVER-25-STAI...egQ~~60_35.JPG
ZT... http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225...yFPZd2igJQ.jpg

Just had a Google of the ZR trim and I'd say potentially it might work however it is far from a perfect match and don't think the twin zt pipes would fit without touching the sides

I was proposing to use the MKII ZR heatshield.
I'll have a measure up tonight and see what's what.

Maybe change both left and right heatshields on a ZT to ZR ones to get them to match better?

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/7h_0ibeXoYE/hqdefault.jpg

That might not be a bad idea.
I did notice that the MII ZR shield appeared to be less 'left/right' specific in comparson to the MKI.

Any more thoughts on this?

I'm bidding on a ZR heatshield so I can see how it measures up.

The dual ZR shield might be the best idea, only issue is how well does it fit the cutout for the left zt shield

I made one from a piece of aluminum it's not perfect but looks pretty good till you get closeAttachment 32072

Good point, I hope the sizes aren't too dissimilar. The ZR shield is certainly bigger than the ZS.

That looks great!
Nice job. I may have to ask my dad how skilled he's feeling...

Just for those trying to find a heatshield here's my two 1.8s Attachment 32187

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...p;d=1396205277
Mmm, Frostiness :drool4:

Looking good Steve :D

Brian :cool:

Looking good, and fast!!! :bowdown:

Just put a V8 badge on and you're the man.....................:getmecoat:

Or go really wild and add a GTI badge..................

I don't like fakes, make believes or wannabees............................sorry:rant:

If he really wanted an unreliable car, he could have bought a Crown Victoria, oops I mean ZT260 :getmecoat:

Brian :D

P.S. the 1800T will outhandle your kit car every day of the week :p:

Let's try that one day.................:D

With 883 build, you can't really call it a kit car can you?

Besides, the head gasket seems to be more reliable on the V8
There is no PRT to worry about
And best of all, it gets the power to the rear

Jealousy is a bitch......................

That made me laugh you old so and so!!!!

Game on!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not a wannabe, I wanted a nice practical place to put my lpg filler and using the offside fake exhaust to house the filler was a way to keep it neat, I'm not trying to make it look like a faster car and if I wanted a badge on it I would quite happily put a 1.8 badge on it . I don't need a v8 to brag about

oopps, sensitive toes...........I do apologise.....................:}

who's talking about bragging ??:shrug:

I'm sure there are a lot more caterham's than that on the road and they are a kit car

That's because you have to build them yourself :)

And you buy them as a kit..................hence kit car

You can buy them fully built like a production car for a little more £

Tell that to Flying Banana :(

And how many you think were bought fully built?

said it before and say it again.

having owned two 260SE's and all other's besides the diesel, the 1.8T is the one i'd have any day of the week.
Think you can throw the tank around a track quicker than the FWD. Best make it a short run before you run out of fuel ;)

That's a one off, not systematic

I'd imagine a fair few as not everyone has the time or skills to do it

65 liters will get me around a track plenty of times.
And there is no way a 1.8 will out-run a 260 on the track

It's all hope and make believe but in reality.....................:}

To be fair though Andy, I believe that Bob's 1.8T is now on it's third head gasket! :shrug:

totally and utterly in your dreams.

I suppose an MG Maestro also can't dust r34 Skylines, but hey i've seen it happen on many occasions.
The 260 is a collectors car, but it isn't technically gifted and it isn't quick for the size of engine it has. It is good at what it is, a tank.

So the 1.8T is technically gifted, very light weight at 1600 kg and has ample power:shrug:

MG ZT1.8T 0-60 8.5 secs
MG ZT260 0-60 6.2 secs

MG ZT 1.8T 132 mph
MG ZT 220 155 mph (limited)

In the factory suit, without mods, the 260 will outperform the 1.8T any time of the day

Sorry to blow your bubble but a 1.8T is a tank without a proper engine

who's talking about factory figures.
Talking about tuneability with the items they come with from factory. Can get them up to 220-230bhp which is plenty enough.

still, you obviously think the 260 is the be all and end all, and I don't, so lets leave it at that.

I'd say the 260 is tune-able ( let's not talk factory figures) with plenty of upgrades available.

Dreadnought S/C is one of them, but there is plenty for the engine in the USA.

And no, I don't think the 260 is the be all and end all.................

But people who think a 1.8T without mods will perform better than a 260 should take a reality pill.

Supped up 1.8T may be faster, better than a 260 but an S/C 260 will soon put that right.

Live in bliss and with the knowledge you got the fastest 1.8T.
We all have dreams..................

For anyone who thinks that the 4.6 isn't tunable, you may want to read this link! ;)

http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-t...r/viewall.html

I really should bother replying to put into context what i was saying, but i've wasted 15 mins of my life on this that i can't get back.

I'll stick with the underpowered 1.8, you stick with the tank.

I have to say it was rather embarrassing last time I was in a 260, when the thing was blown into the weeds by a VVC ZR.

There is a problem with putting a cast iron lump into a car it wasn't designed for, especially when the rest of the suspension is certainly not up to the job.

I can recall a time after fitting a V8 into a Morris 575 pickup, when yes in a straight line, superb, sub nine second 1/4 miles, but on the road I couldn't keep up with a Mini 850 along country lanes.

The same applies to the R40 V8's good in a straight line, but dire handling in comparison to the FWD variants.

Nice exhaust note though ;)

Brian :D

I personally think that the car handles well for the size and weight.
The Pro-drive set-up with Eibach suspension is up to the job.

Bearing in mind it's not a sports car by any stretch of the imagination and not even a GT car, when driven correctly it can give a lot of cars a run for their money on B-roads.

When you come out of an FWD car and have to adjust to a RWD, I can understand that people think it doesn't handle.
It took me the better parts of 6 months to get used to it, haven driven FWD car for nearly 20 years and the ZT being the first RWD.

Calling a ZT260 a tank compared to a ZT 1.8T seems rather silly as there is only 150KG weight difference. In my opinion that makes the ZT 1.8T a tank with a smaller engine.
The pure fact that a turbo engine may feel more lively than a lazy V8 is by no means a reflection of the cars ability to perform.

We all have our opinions but those aside, the figures speak for themselves.

There is only one way to sort this.............












RACE!!!!!

How about a T4 race?

Flishy flashy screen of death to the winner :D

I have won the Grand Prix then!!!!

Bloomin no speaky to V8 :p:

Me thinks there's a mini business for you making heatshields ;)

As someone who's new to this forum, with a comment like that I can tell you're a douche bag.

You act as if the ZT 260 was the first car to have a duplex exhaust.

If someone supercharges their 260 does that make them a MG ZT 385 wannabe?
Do you hate those fakes, make believes and wannabees as well?

I think you will find it willl actually be a mgzt 400 not a fake! now if it was a zt120 with duplex exhausts and a zt 400 badge that would be a fake.
Oh and by the way Herman is definitely not a douche bag

But it didn't come out the factory as a MG ZT 400 so it must be a fake right?

So if he's not a douche bag, why the douche bag comment? Was it just a sudden lapse?

I think you need to do some research into how many Supercharged v8s left the factory

I think you're missing my point - you may need to re-read my post.

Here it is for your convenience:

'If someone supercharges their 260 does that make them a MG ZT 385 wannabe?
Do you hate those fakes, make believes and wannabees as well?'

There weren't any factory 385s so any that are Supercharged are not fakes but upgrades and are exactly what they state not a 120 with v8 badges and exhaust. That's a wannabe

Upgrades.

Power upgrades, exhaust upgrades, bigger brakes.

For me, it is what makes MG's fun to own.

Taking a swipe at someone because they've gone duplex and calling them out as a 'fake' is pathetic and not something I'd expect from any genuine MG enthusiast.

People having a bit of a banter, you feel the need to have a personal go at someone :shrug:

Yes it seems you are new to the forum.....

And I didn't use the word hate. I just said don't like. At least try to keep it into the right context

'Banter' is what bullies tend to call it when they get pulled up on something.

Modification is what Essex boys tend to call mutilation when it comes to cars :)

We can go on forever like this:)

Since joining in 2013 (9th April) this is the only thread you replied to (14 times :))
Maybe I have stepped on some sore Essex toes.

Maybe a mod can close this thread as it is rather getting off track

It's only getting off track as people keep steering it away, closing wouldn't be good as we haven't found out if the ZR shields are any good yet

You don't have to be from ESSEX to have a distaste for elitists and snobs.
MG-Rovers get enough stick - we don't need it in our own community forums when we decide to enhance our cars instead of purchasing some carbon copy car just to feel better about ourselves.

As you might have guessed, I am on this thread and this forum because I am interested in adding a duplex exhaust which is a modification or in your words, a mutilation.

I picked up a ZT a few weeks back and I originally joined this site to keep tabs on the for sale section.

I have been a member on www.mg-rover.org for quite some time under the same name so if you'd like to do a background check there too you can. You'll be able to find out join dates as it would seem that it is important to you as well as read all the threads and topics I've commented on. Get a real feel for me.

Closing the thread won't stop people enjoying and enhancing their cars buddy, sorry about that.

Back on track, my MKII ZR heatshield should arrive this Friday - I'm painting the calipers and drums on the MG3 this weekend so I'll see if I can squeeze in a size up session to see how the heatshield looks.

I'll take pictures as I go along.

I do happen to agree with you here. I don't have any problem with people enhancing their car. Mine has modifications as well.
But I think it always has to based on the original. A S/C on a ZT260, 19" wheels etc. are modifications on a original car, as could a double exhaust be on a ZT190...for that matter. I think it's been said before but a V8 badge on a 120 is just wrong.

What I don't like is people jumping in with both feet, guns blazing and calling people names (douche bag springs to mind). There is no need for that and as the poster I replied to didn't feel it was offensive (at least not that I know of)and saw it as the 'banter' it was supposed to be (hence the :getmecoat: and the other smiles).
Then I'm compared with a bully when referring to 'banter' and now snob and elitist.

If things said in general are taken personal I do, maybe unfortunately, react.

If you like some background on me and my passion for the MG's in general and 260 in particular, have a look at the 260ties, username Herman.

Anyway, this thread is back on track and I wish people success in their quest for exhaust shields as one day I may have to replace mine.

[QUOTE=VMax1000;1628196]I do happen to agree with you here. I don't have any problem with people enhancing their car. Mine has modifications as well.
But I think it always has to based on the original. A S/C on a ZT260, 19" wheels etc. are modifications on a original car, as could a double exhaust be on a ZT190...for that matter. I think it's been said before but a V8 badge on a 120 is just wrong.

So what is with the dig at my car which clearly from the photo does not have any badge other than what came with it ? What looks better, a gas filler stuck in the body pannel or one in the fake exhaust ?

So what is with the dig at my car which clearly from the photo does not have any badge other than what came with it ? What looks better, a gas filler stuck in the body pannel or one in the fake exhaust ?[/QUOTE]

Steve

I very much like what you have done with the exhaust, by having the gas in the fake exhaust, it is a great engineering feat

stu

Based on your previous reply I thought it was all done an dusted
Apparently it's not and you feel the need to expand on this.
As far as I'm concerned I made a general statement people seem to have taken offence to.

For that I apologise...................

What I can't stand is attacking an individual for making a general statement and I am still waiting for an apology for that.

I don't have an issue with an open discussion with you as I replied to your post but I do feel offended when other people see it as an opportunity to have a dig.

Again I wish you all the best in your efforts with the exhaust shields

Little update, the ZR heat shield was too big and went too deep.

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/m...psz1tfnv8z.jpg

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/m...pstpfrpyuw.jpg

We've decided that we're gonna experiment with some fibre glass and maybe some carbon fibre, making both a left and a right.

I think it's the better option and will hopefully result in quite a decent finish.

Need to get hold of a spare MKII ZT heat shield now.
Let me know if you come across one!

How much heat does it actually need to withstand? Just thinking you may be able to get some made up using a 3D printing company. Then maybe 'paint' it with a 'fire guard' topcoat/gelcoat.

That could be a good option.
My girls twin is a designer and I know she's worked with 3D printers before so I'll ask her if she can point me in the right direction.

On the subject of 3D printing, if anyone here happens to have the exhaust shield drawings or is good at 3D CAD and can save as an STL file do let me know.

May be able to make a mini run of left and right exhaust shields...

Just measure a left one and reverse the measurements

That was the plan - just need to get it into a 3D CAD design to print from. I don't have the software or skills to transcribe it.

Sorted ;)

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/m...psklsfqc18.jpg

Looks good

Cheers bud, aiming to get the exhaust made up next weekend.
Next on the shopping list is the sideskirts.

what is about the mini run of these shields?