Changing Alpine Low-Line in High-Line SATNAV
 

Hello everyone,

I'm new on this forum and I live in Holland. Excelent forum by the way! I'm driving a Rover 75 1.8 with a G3 LPG fuel installation in the space of the spare wheel. The car is from 2001.

Here's my problem (is there a new member who has none?):

I have an integrated Alpine Low-Line satellite navigation with radio/cassette. Some while ago, my GPS unit failed and the garage couldn't fix it. I recently bought a High-Line SATNAV from Alpine YIE000310PUY. I was very supprised when I discovered that the connectors behind from each model were not the same!

Does anybody knows then answers on the following:
- Are there existing adaptors for the connectors?
- If I want to buy another GPS, do I have to check wich type is right for the High-Line?
- Or do I have to change the whole wiring loom?
- I've read something about a silver box wich you need to let the High-Line work. Is this true?
- The existing CD changer came with the original Low-Line SATNAV. Does it still work on the High-Line?
- One of the options of a High Line SATNAV is receiving TV. I don't need that because in Holland there is no existing analoge signal anymore in the air. Everything is digital now.

......Where I'm afraid for, was it foolish to buy only the High-Line unit?

Hope to her from you soon.

Hello Ralph

Glad to have you on board. :)

One or more of our ICE experts will be along to help you out. If you don't get good response here I will move your post into the ICE section later on.

Thanks GG,

Looking forward to it.

Regards Ralph

I polite bump ;)

I think most of the lo-line bits are transferable to the HighLine set-up.

I'm not sure if the TV tuner is needed to display the SatNav data or if that is dealt with by the Nav Computer itself. I know several members on here have upgraded to the HighLine system so hopefully someone will see this thread and give you some solid answers.

You will need the TV Tuner for the Display to work, which means more than likely the requirement of different Loom.

Head Unit
Sat Nav Computer
TV Tuner Unit
Aerial & Wiring Loom
You can get Digital TV Receivers Now
Aerial Amplifier

Ive Just remembered the Post for all this, Read Here: http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...ead.php?t=2892

Its a question I asked Navtvman on eBay. Basically to upgrade from lo to hi line its like starting from scratch. All the bits and a new loom is required.

Well thank you all guys. Your information is very helpfull.

This is where I'm now held up:

- I have the Alpine high line unit
- I have a MKIII GPS

- I have to buy this:http://shop.kufatec.de/product_info....t.html/cat/126
- I have to check my connection on my existing CD player weather it wil fit on the new High-Line
- I have to look for a radio module
- Perhaps (like Johdotcom replied) I still need a TV module for making the display work
- several items as mentioned in the list of: http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...ead.php?t=2892

Its a start and maybe I will not succeed in this effort, but I'm willing to give it a try to let you all know if its worth doing. It can be helpfull for others on this forum who are having the same plans but don't dare doing it (wise descision:) ). At least I don't feel lonely on this project on this forum although I will choose to ignore my wife for a long time doing this stupid thing. She kills me if she knew I was planning this:pillow: .

Well guys, all the best, sorry for my english, but at least I drive an english car.

Regards Ralph

By the way GG,

Do you still have that spare nr 12 locking wheel nut?:drool4:

Regards Ralph:driving:

See my other post

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...0&postcount=13

Ralph's English is a heck of a lot better than our Dutch!

Yeah right, fortunate my steering wheel is on the left. Otherwise I would be changing gear with the right door handle:lol: . As far as I noticed, there is no other dutchman in this forum, is there? Which proves how difficult it is to get some good information about the rover 75 in Holland.

Anyone else who has a suggestion for the retrofix from the Low into High line NAVSAT is welcome in this thread.

Keep you guys informed, Ralph:nastypc:

The wiring loom
 

Hello all,

Well, I've bought the cable loom at:http://shop.kufatec.de/product_info....t.html/cat/126 :SHOCKED: Very expensive £164.00 includes shipping

This is my plan: with the CD of all partnumbers I have, I wil make a small demo on the floor with all the stuff I need and make some pictures of it to show you. Some components I need are already build in the car, like the bracket foor the MKIII (its the same as the MKII I already have) so I will wait for the last episode to connect everything together and try to get it work on a 12V battery.

I now have the following:

- Alpine High Line headunit
- MKIII GPS unit
- (Soon) teh cable loom

Keep you all informed:grouphug:

Regards Ralph

Another step closer Ralph :)

Taking pictures and adding part numbers and links to where you got parts from would be a great help to other members wanting to do the same or looking to replace faluty parts.

Good Luck

Partnumbers for the retrofit Alpine High Line
 

Hello guys,

Here's a overview list of all partnumbers you need for this operation. Some of the components you don't need, because they are already in your car.

Compare the partnumbers of LowLine with HighLine and see what you don't need.:trans:

For example: if you have a Alpine Low Line Symphony SATNAV, you already have the receiver-global positioning system with partnumber YWY100240A build in you car wich fits on the High Line. Saves a lot of time and money searching the web or suppliers.

Regards Ralph :grouphug:

Partnumbers Low Line
 

Guys (no girls yet),

And here is the list of the Low Line radio components to compare with the list of the High Line. Notice you don't need all the brackets as shown.

Simon W: weren't you earlier looking for partnumber 5 "switch pack-navigation" partnumber YUB100590PUY for the Low Line?:shrug:

Regards Ralph:lol:

Hello JohnDotCom,

I asked around and a company in Holland (Wheels Online), who has a lot of experience with retrofitting the low to high line, told me that the TV module is not needed for navigation. I don't need television in Holland, because there is no analog signal here anymore. So I'll keep that TV module to the last to buy and test the whole system first without it. I'll keep you informed in this thread.:shrug:

Regards, Ralph

Ralph,

I'm sure you need it (TV Tuner) for the Graphics etc.
Will have a look later on.
Keith may respond quicker, depends if he is still Manic too.

Ralph - Duotone has the switch pack and I was after the button cover for it - XQQ100091PUY, I think. (It's No3 in the Symphony pdf). Can't find one anywhere though.

Thanks for the pdf's by the way.

Simon

It depends on the harness you bought
if it is identical to the standard Rover one you must have the TV module

If it is the base BMW version of the harness then you may find that as the TV module was an option on some cars and the module came with a patching harness that you will not need the TV module

Basically count the plugs at the boot end if you have five big ones, one black, two blue, one white, and one plum you will probbly need the TV module

Questions from kufatec
 

Guys,

I orderded the cable loom at kufatec. They asked me a lot of questions.
Everything in german :SHOCKED:

I sent them these pictures they asked for:

They make the cable loom by hand, so now I have to wait. All the connectors will be fitted by these photographs.
There is a difference between the Rover E46 radio module and the BM24 BMW radio module, but the connectors are the same.

Can't wait untill tey send it. I'm sure I still need some other stuff like steering wheel modules, interfaces or brackets. Does anyone know about this?:shrug:

Keep you all informed, till the Lux meet

Regards Ralph

Finally the Radio and TV-module
 

Hello guys,

I finally got the two missing modules I need for this retrofit as shown below. maybe for some of you a lot of money, but I thougt it was a reasonable price on e-bay incl shipping to Holland:

- BMW E39 - E46 - E38 - X5 Autoradio BM24 TMC £141.93
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...8cc2184c11.jpg
- BMW Videomodul TV modul E46 E39 X3 X5 M3 M5 £140.00
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...8cbe5b1ecc.jpg
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...8cc0b1b033.jpg

Now I'm waiting till that cable loom has finished.

Does anyone has the brackets for these two?

Keep you informed, Regards Ralph

Have not got any of the Brackets, but will look on EPC when I get home tonight see if they are still available, as a couple of Members are after them.

Thanks John:lol:

Ralf, Part Numbers I have found so far still available are:

XQU 100800 Bracket Mounting Amplifier. £11.31 + VAT
YIU 100062 Bracket Navigation Computer. £16.81 + VAT
YIU 100042 Bracket Television Mounting. £9.43 + VAT
YWU 105770 From Serial No: 164732 Bracket Out Station or.
YWU 100582 To Serial No: 164732 Bracket Out Station.

and of couse the Bolts / screws etc. If you want numbers for those let me know but normally cheaper sourced elsewhere.


All from XPart dealers or give Rimmers a Ring.

Brackets
 

John, you're the best:hurray:

I'll contact X-Parts in Holland and order them. Question: if they are cheaper in the UK, can you bring them for me to the Lux meet? I'll send you the money then and probably delivery costs. Do you have Pay-Pal. Anyway lets hear from X-Part Holland first how much everything is. I let you know.

regards, Ralph

Status report 14-05-2007
 

Here is where I am now :p: ,

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...8ade0ac31a.jpg
Overall view with all units connected by cable loom from Kufatec ;)

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...8ab779afca.jpg
Alpine High Line head unit with phone mute cables and ISO adapted connector :)

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...8abc9b177c.jpg
Head unit rear view with connectors ;)

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...8abca43200.jpg
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...8ac2088890.jpg
TV-module different views with headconnectors and additional CD-changer connector :rolleyes:

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...8b1f75c287.jpg
Radio module BM24 with connectors and external antenna :cool:

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...8abcad791f.jpg
GPS navigation computer MKIII with side connectors to the TV-Module :wink2:

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...8ac2025487.jpg
GPS navigation MKIII front view :lol:

URGENT QUESTIONS :shrug:

-Does somebody know how to connect the remote controls from the steering wheel on this? Seemes that I'm missing something

- Also the connector from the CD-changer on the cable loom is in the boot. Mines is mounted in the dash. How can I lengthen this cable?

- I'm still looking for the brackets of the radio and TV-module. Can anyone help me or shall I ask X-parts?

Regards Ralph:bed:

If no joy for Brackets XPart still do them, but not cheap I'm afraid.
Scrap Yards and EBay may be only alternative.

Doooh Just realised posted Part Numbers etc in Post 24

As I've now paid my sub, I suppose I'm now properly entitled to post messages and replies!!! Ralph I've been following this and other threads on the same subject. I want to upgrade to Highline too, I've got most of the parts, I think(!) radio module (a rover one!!) monitor, computer (Rover MK??) and a B*W trimble unit. I missed a brand new Rover cable on ebay last year and have never seen one since! I've contacted Kufatec by email with the above parts list asking for a price, I got a reply saying they can't make cables for Rover!!! Now I notice you've had more success, any help or did you get refused at the beginning? Also I notice you have no 'trimble' fitted nor aerial, have you used a B*M nav computer instead? I have seen a thread elsewhere regards the remote control, I'll see if I can find it.

Great job!!!!

Regards

Welcome Schotten as Subscribed Member, Thanks.
Your Name will change to Red as soon as Christopher has been alerted, or sees your post when back on Forum.

Schotten Kufatec will be able to do you a cable but they may need you to tell them exactly what you want.

It is pretty much identical to one from an E46 only the actual length may be an issue
They need to know the type of radio you have (round or flat pin)

You could ask them to send you one on sale or return then take decent Pics and create a wiring diagram of what they have sent to post here I could easily work out what is or is not missing from there

Schotten,

I sended you a PM about Kufatec.

I agree with you Keith. They demand a lot of information to produce the right cable loom, but as I did, everything I received was in perfect order.

I'm not sure about the "trimble" and aerial Schotten mentioned. But I do miss a connection to the remote control of the steering wheel. Also do I have questions about the global positioning unit wether I need it or is build within the BM24 radio.

Regards, Ralph

Trimble is not required for MK3 or MK4 computer
there is an (interface see my howto pics) between Bordmonitor and steering wheel control, standard BMW part

GPS unit comprises sat nav receiver and cd reader in the same unit plus the external GPS antenna

Thanks Keith, think I've confused Ralph over trimble unit! I've got (I think) a MK3 Rover navigation computer (I've seen that on the back where the blue and purple connectors fit 'CON MK3/BMW' to be exact) so it's a MK3!!?? Does this need a trimble unit or is this included inside? I take it a Rover MK3 is the same basic unit as a B*M MK3 (minus software tweeks etc), so I can tell Kufatec I've got a MK3 unit !!! Confused or what? Ralph the Rover part number for the remote interface unit is YWQ100031, hope this helps and let us all know what's the outcome!!! Oh, I suppose the Kufatec cable comes with the connection for this interface??:SHOCKED:

Guys,

The interface connection for the remote controle of the steering wheel didn't came with the cable loom. But I think I found the alternative on e-bay (came wit this forum elswhere):

http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...5130&rd=1&rd=1

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...8ab779afca.jpg

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...c625eb3883.jpg

Maybe I can connect it between the adapted iso connector

What do you think Keith?

Regards Ralph

Nope that is no good you need the thing I have shown in my Howto
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...ead.php?t=2892

9th picture down

Got it, thanks Keith

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...c74415a937.jpg

I already have an existing module for the remote. Have to find out how to connect it to my new cable loom.


Regards Ralph :driving:

It is nothing complicated look at the wiring diagram
Iirc Two wires in from the steering wheel, Orange Blue, I think plus power ground and a connection to the K bus

Simple

I have just looked at your picture above
What are the two Grey wires for at the HU end my guess ABS and Reversing switch signals?

The harness should also have a plug for the Remote control interface which makes me wonder what that spare plug is for at the TV tuner end?

I was thinking the same thing Keith, there should be another cable and connector for the remote at the HU. Is perhaps the two grey wires for telephone mute, or would that not have been at the radio unit end in the boot?
That's where I'll be putting mine with an extension cable for the phone cradle up front assuming of course that it can be done as I intend to use the existing radio mute cable I have at the front with B*M connectors at both end which goes in between the radio harness and the ISO adaptor harness. I reckon that should work with the phone kit in the boot this time. Time will tell, now if I could get hold of a genuine Rover sat nav harness then the headaches might be gone......... or just starting!!!!!!!:D

Does this answers your questions?

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...de6e7c195e.jpg

It's for my car kit or mobile phone mute. NF+ and NF-
The spare plug at the TV-tuner end is for my CD-changer, to mount in the boot, but mine is in the dash, so I have to lengthen it. It's different on the picture of Kufatec shown as a spare plug at the end of the radio BM24 unit. Haven't figured that out yet.

Regards, Ralph

Hi Ralph, how are you getting on with the installation? Have you solved the remote control problem yet?

Hello Schotten,

Sorry, we just came back from the Lux meet on the 25th to 28th of may. So I didn,t had time to work on the SATNAV. We have been in the X-part (CAT logistics) store in Metz (France) though. :drool4:

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...b47af64a9a.jpghttp://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...db09057ec9.jpg

What I noticed: All the shelfs of the SATNAV section where completely empty.......that's a relief. :(

But I made them clear that the clubmembers should have the privilege to supply them spare parts when needed and on time. So Friday folks I will have my brackets delivered in Holland!!!!!! Also the interface for my remote control.

Problem solved. :D

Keep you all informed, regards, Ralph :driving:

Ralph - did you get my PM's about the Symphony?

Well done Ralph:) do you mind posting the part numbers for the brackets (a pics of how they fit etc???!!) interested how you solved the remote control link, would be keen to see how you've manged with the Kufatec cable. regards Scott

The X-part dealer called me today. They said my e-mail request for the partnumbers could have been filtered by their spam filter :SHOCKED: All parts will be delivered next week on friday. After that it's party time.

I will make specific piccys of my existing Low-line for you all. Also how to dismount it and transfer it to the high line equipment.

Be patience........:munch:

Cheers, Ralph :driving:

Nope, all the PM's I got I allready replied on. Also your e-mails. Wich one do you mean Simon?

Need some help here Keith
 

Keith,

I connected the cable loom to every unit as shown before and then I tried to do a test without mounting everyting in advance.

Unfortunatly the head unit doesn't seem to work. The head unit seems to get powered on, because it makes a little switching noise and the screen lights up with a fade blink, but the power LED doesn't light up.

The GPS MKIII seems to work and is responding, the red LED also lights up. I know that I have to be carefull not to power off, before the LED is out.

The radio unit is connected with the 17 pins connector C0818 (black) and antenna

The GPS unit is connected with two 18 pins connectors (blue and purple) and to the aerial GPS antenna

The TV unit is connected with two 18 pins connectors (white and blue) but there are two antenna connections needed I don't have!!! On your "how to" you have some pictures where you can clearly see the two antenna cables on this unit. Are those the ones from the televison amplifier and where is its location?

The two grey cables you mentioned before are indeed for wheel speed and reverse. I thought they were used to connect my car kit, but that connection is already been made on my ISO adapter (before the loom)

I made the test as shown on these pictures below:

Swapping the Low Line
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...b8c5c434da.jpg

Connections of the Low Line
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...b8c5cabccf.jpg

Cables of the Low Line
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...b8c5d0ba60.jpg

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...b8c78b3f49.jpg

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...b8c9480889.jpg

Adapting to the High Line
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...b8c94cdafd.jpg

This plug was left over from my Low Line?
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...b8c9524bea.jpg

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...b8cacd3d78.jpg

The head unit stays blanc
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...b8cad35a38.jpg

Chances are you have not got the Kbus conmected from the nav loom to the kbus in the car, if not nothing will work

K bus is the red/white/yellow wire

Also have you found the small six pin connector with the abs and reverse connections? as you will be needing that

Oké Keith, I'll check that out first thing tommorrow morning. And thanks for your quick reply! :lol:

The two grey cables I have on the Kufatec loom are indeed for the speed and reverse, but I didn't noticed the little six pin connector yet. Have to look for it also. You don't have a picture of it by any chance Keith?

Is it his one?

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...cccd071bdd.jpg

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...cccd01bcce.jpg

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...ccccf99c5c.jpg

And what to do with it?


Cheers Ralph

CO982 here
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...79&postcount=7

It will be floating around in your exiting loom somewhere and depeding how old you car is it may have several wires in it

my V8 and K bus reversing switch ABS signal and the steering wheel control wires iirc

Nearly completed!
 

Keith,

I succeeded in all the connections exept these ones. Do you have experience how to fix this. I made an attachment of the electrical circuit diagram in wich they occur.

Interface K-bus (V106):
C0395-10 to C1245-2 speed dependant volume signal
C0395-17 to C1245-5 not used?

C1245-3 to A211 ?
C1245-6 to A165 earth I believe

CD auto changer (F102):
C0941-6 to C0830-1 CD audio left +
C0941-1 to C0830-2 CD audio right +
C0941-7 to C0830-6 CD audio left
C0941-2 to C0830-7 CD audio left

C0941-8 to A165 earth
C0941-5 to C0295-16 header (K106)
C0941-10 to C0295-4 header (K106)

Monitor-bord (D185):
C0816 to A172 ?

What I have now tested and working is:

- radio
- televison
- navigation

The High Line is fully operational exept for the steering wheel controls and the CD changer.

BTW Keith, my english is rather poor and I don't know what you mean by "iirc"
I must thank you for the little leads you gave me. It helped me a lot thinking about what I did wrong. So I checked almost every diagram from Low LIne to High Line. But this amateur is very happy :drool4: now that the High Line is alive after three days hard work. The Low Line has become more and more history

Hope you can help me out with this.

Regards Ralph :driving:

The CD changer has seven wires four are audio L & R + & - but I don't know which so that needs trial an error the other three are +12V Ground and K bus

For the steering wheel controls have you got the Interface box

http://www.midnightphotos.co.uk/user...ull/4/6226.jpg

iirc = If I remember Corectly
or If I Recall Correctly
or Image and Identity Research Collective (not usually this in our Context)

Interface
 

Keith,

Yes I do have it, partnumber YWQ100031 brandnew from Xparts. But I don't have the bracket for it yet (minor detail)
The problem is that my CD changer is in the glove box with indeed seven wires wich all end in my old connector C0983 of the low line. Not compatible with connector C0830 from the the radio wich is in the boot and there is only one possibility to connect the CD changer on it by C0830 wich I don't have.

The four wires left and right + & - I can understand and solve the problem maybe by lengthen it to the boot. But the other three on the diagram are connected to the header (2x) and monitor bord (1x) wich I can't follow.
Both connectors from the header (C0295) and CD changer (C0941) are not in included within the manual.

BTW I left my old loom of the low line in the car. It was to much work to get rid of it because of all its sideway connections. Shame on me :angel2: but no one will notice that. I might want to use some existing wires from it wich leads all to the boot for the C0830 connection but I don't dare to do it, because I will damage a part of it.

Any suggestion?

Here are some pictures of the current status:

Back to school
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...11851e4125.jpg

The Interface K-bus with cable
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...118523d041.jpg

TV module didn't fit on its place because of my LPG tank in the spare wheel room so I had to mount it here
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...118528930f.jpg

Bracket for the radio module in place
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...118ca35bf5.jpg

Peeling off my existing GPS antenna cable from the old Low Line loom
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...118ca8d94d.jpg

Leading the loom from the boot sideways to the dash
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...118cad9c1d.jpg
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...118ffd96dc.jpg
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...119003369f.jpg

At last I reached the front
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...119007e9ce.jpg

Later on I will post some piccys when it's finished. That's all for now fooks! :lol:

Finished!!
 

It has been worth all effort, but I had some major problems in the beginning.

At first nothing worked at all when I connected my new high loom to the iso adapted loom wich on their turn were connected to the iso connectors in my dash. If you have not all the functions provided in your iso then you should do the same as I did. I connected my new loom with the C0395 directly on the C0981. After that my high line started to breath with:

- radio
- TV
- navigation

The next thing I had to work out was connecting my CD changer wich is in the glove box. The kufatec connectors they gave me, weren't right. So I had to make a rather unprofessional solution.

This is the CD changer plug beneath my glove box
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4d50ad7dbb.jpg

They end all up to C0983 (blue) in my dash. There are 7 wires. I put 7 pins into it and 4 of them I had to lead to C0830 at the back of my radio unit.
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4db7a80edc.jpg

Having the electrical diagram at hand I used a 4 wire colored cable for 2x audio left (+/-) and 2x audio right (+/-) The other three I put one on 12 V permanent feed, one on earth and one was for the K-bus connection
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4d50b8da52.jpghttp://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4e1590187c.jpghttp://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4e1594fa93.jpg

Having done that I had audio from my CD changer. Not at first trial because I put one pin wrong, but that was solved after I checked everything.

Now I had to mount the interface K-bus behind the head unit, but some of you know I didnt had the specific bracket for it so I fixed it with tie rips.
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4dd60107fd.jpg

The connector for the K-bus I got from Kufatec of which they said was for my CD changer. Anyway, I connected the four wires as the electrical diagram showed to C0082 under the steering column
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4dd60a8d9d.jpghttp://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4dd61c2414.jpg

The other ends I connected to earth from the monitor-bord and as leading K-bus wire foor all components and header. Here is where I went wrong I think, because I put it on a WRY colored wire from C0981
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4e158a884e.jpg

I was ready to organize all the cables in the dash and at first it looked rather chaotic but all went well with tie rips and tape.
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4e29c93122.jpghttp://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4e29ce22ca.jpghttp://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4e29d6146a.jpg

Closing my dash I worried about the functionality of the K-bus. would it work? And what about the rotary coupler, switch reverse and ECU-ABS? But as you all can see these were the results as I finished the dash.

Radio functions OK
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4e2c9f0764.jpg

Tape functions OK
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4e2c99e786.jpg

CD functions OK
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4e2c9498ba.jpg

Navigation OK
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4e352c7ac1.jpg

TV no signal because of the missing analog signal in Holland, but seems to work I hope in foreign countries
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4e353297a9.jpg

Later on I finished everything with the covers in front and in the boot
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4e353844d1.jpghttp://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4e3867c21a.jpghttp://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4e3be7ec38.jpg

My Low Line (Symphony with SatNav and MKII GPS) set is now history and are for sale. The loom is still in the car and I have to figure out how to get rid of it. It is a lot work to get it out of the car and sell it completely with the Low Line set.
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...4e3becaf0f.jpg

After the first test drive everything was in fine order, only for the K-bus where I was afraid for. The speed dependant volume signal did not respond and the remote controls also. Maybe someone has a suggestion?

Also the connection for the switch-reverse and ECU-ABS are important ones. You will find them on the six pins connector C0982 wich you realy have to look for in the dash as shown at the picture below.
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...63e24a7d75.jpg

I would like to end with: Don't try this at home. Miracles take more time. But I'm glad the system works for 95% and maybe this thread has been a little help for the one who didn't dare to do this but might consider it over. I think some of you would give it a try regarding the 1580 views on this thread.......

It has been a pleasure to inform all of you. Special credit goes to Johndotcom and Keith who made it possible for me to do this! Till the following project.

Cheers Ralph :driving:

Still need some help
 

Hello guys,

It's been a while but I could still need some help or any reply on what I did wrong with the connection on my K-bus. Everything works exept:

- remote controle audio steering wheel
- speed volume

Regards Ralph :driving:

Well done Ralph.

I'm about to embark on a similar project, except I've got the original loom............

Hello David,

Did you get the loom new or from a breaker. I would like to see the original loom. Do you have some piccy's for me and did you had any progress until now?

Regards Ralph:driving:

I've managed to get a complete set up from a 2000 car. Let me know what pictures you want and I'll take them and post them up.

Hello David,

Please some visuals of:

- the whole loom
- separate connectors to:
* Head unit
* Interface K-bus
* CD changer
* Radio module
* TV-module
* antenna"s
* GPS module
* the two separate wires to C0982 for "ECU-ABS" and "Switch Reverse"

Was this thread usefull for you David, or do you have some questions or suggestions, because I noticed a lot of members have read it but you are the first who is actualy starting it all up?

cheers Ralph :driving:

99 car actually!

Pictures?
 

David (Greeners),

I read in another thread with Les (SMC) that you managed to take some pictures. Could you publice them or send me some or put some in your album?

Regards Ralph :driving:

This is the Cable available for about 200Euros from: www.kufatec.de

http://www.kufatec.de/shop/images/pr...ages/422_0.jpg

Yes afcourse I already know John :confused:. I bought it myself ;). Thank you anyway :bowdown: on behalf of the other members.

Regards Ralph :driving:

Hi there, sorry I've been away for some time (builders then a bit of front end damage .......... whacked a new B*M Coupe when he opened his car door!!). It's good to see the system up and running, I've managed to get a genuine Rover sat nav loom with premium upgrade included, got the Harman Kardon amp, plugged it all in and after a bit of tweaking all seems to work. Now I need to get my Kenwood CD working via an adaptor lead I've got, try to work out where all the aerial leads go at the rear screen end......and a sat nav aerial!!! Anybody know where I could track one down? Thanks

Give Les a PM at SMC he is breaking (sorry recycling) a few vehicles now. :D

If not available new at XPart, BMW will have one............

Will do John, thanks. I think the new part costs about £80+ :SHOCKED:so B*M won't be much cheaper if at all!! I've seen aerials for beemers on ebay, I take it they're fine to use (except mounting of course)? Thanks

If you need some assistance with the wiring diagram or satnav connector library, please let us know Schotten.

regards Ralph :driving:

Easy job, Ralph...

You can't upgrade it, but retrofitting is no problem. Did the job myself in 2,5 hours, completely working.

You will need a new loom, but that's all...

You can search for a loom of a used 75, or buy a new one on E-bay (www.kufatec.de has great ones (They are for BMW, but it's the same system. You will need a extra "thing" for the steering wheel controls, Keith knows which one.....)

In the Netherlands I know an adress for all the brackets for the sat/nav.
It's van Noort (www.autobedrijfvannoort.nl), especially for MG and Rover. Nice guy, and great coffee! (And that's what matters ;-) )

Making your steering wheel remote switches work!
 

I finally discovered why my remote control isn't working. At the meet in Cumbria Keith told me to look for any power supply on the K-bus interface. I showed him their was none mentioned on the electrical diagram.

He told me the diagram was wrong:shrug:. After searching on the RAVE CD I found a page from the pin numbres belonging to connector C1245 on the K-bus interface PN YWQ100031. It's a 6 pin connector PN YPC115290 wich you will need. According to the diagram I only use pin 2, 3, 5 and 6 expecting it all to work, but if you can see on the pin description you also have to connect pin numbre 1 on the igniton switch power supply.

What I expect to work after this is:
- GAL van +1 tot +6 (speed independent volume)
- Remote audio control on steering wheel

I attached some pdf files to this thread to show you some visuals. I explained the Mrs. that I had to reopen the dash for this. After I had received some serious replies from :pillow: her I decided to wait untill the weather changes. :laughing2:

Keith, thanks for your help. :bowdown:

Arjan, heb je mijn mail niet ontvangen, dan kunnen we misschien dit onderdeel even samen fixen als jij de K-bus ook binnen hebt.:drunk:

I hope this wil complete the upgrade for some of you. New projects for the High Line coming up:
- Trip Computer visual on screen
- Reverse switch i.c.w. camera on screen
- DVD connection on screen i.c.w. DVD screens/player in headrest
- TV aerial diversity using for countries abroad Holland

Regards Ralph :driving:

Ralph, well sorted.
You most probally know, but for reverse camera and DVD you can use the AV in channel displayed on Head Unit.
Just need the Adaptor leads available on EBay etc.

Do you have a link for the adaptor leads John?

Have a look here, there is also a twin switchable input box to which i will have to search my Database for later, really must make that researchable properly!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BMW-3-5-7-X5-R...QQcmdZViewItem

Great link John, thanks!

Maybe we can have a look at that also, Ralph....

I have a DVD player already built in, it's not that difficult.


(By the way: Is there a guide to use this forum? Most of the time, I'm lost in messages I've sent, they are somewhere else than I hoped them to be.......)

There is no guide as such,
but if you ask about any problems you may have finding anything,
One of the Team or Members would be pleased to assist you.

Just gave it a bump :sissy: regarding all the questions in ICE forum about retrofitting to high line

Ralph

Hi Ralph,

Reading all of this thread I have to say I'm very impressed!

Hi,

I wish I'd read this thread before I rushed in & bought a High Line unit off e-bay !

Before I read this I thought I'd try & install it myself (I understood that I would need the additional units, but I didn't appreciate the wiring 'difficulties').

I know that this a kop-out, but does anyone know if there are any companies that would do the upgrade for me (I know, I'm a wimp !) ?

Thanks,

Ken

Ken

Welcome to the club...

It's not that bad if you've got all the bits....An install takes about 4-6 hours, as the seats, console and carpet have to come out.............there was a guy on ebay that would do it for about £1200 all in...

Hi,

Thanks for the suggestion.
Any idea as to how I can find him (despite various ebay searches I couldn't find him) ?

Also, before I rush out & make other ebay members very rich I would like to make sure I get hold of the right components. So can anyone confirm if I've got the components right (as these are all from separate sources I'm not sure if they are compatible with each other)...

1) Screen/console (YIE000310PUY)
2) Radio (single) tuner (BMW BM24 Rover XQC 100440)
3) TV Tuner (YIC 000110)
4) Sat Nav Unit (YIB 100040)
5) Wiring loom (no idea how to get hold of the right one yet)
6) Remote (steering wheel) wiring (no idea how to get hold of one yet)

Many thanks in advance,

Ken

Changing Alpine Low Line in High-Line SATNAV
 

Hi Ken.

A few of us members of this club have installed a complete Hi line system, wiring loom and all units included.
I bought a complete system [removed from a 75] from Les at SMC and I think this is possibly the best way to aquire a system.
There is plenty of help available on this forum, and if you are like me you will need it..
My system is now working perfectly, the approx time to install is about 6 hours, [in my case over two weekends] and maybe a few more for problem solving..

All in all its been well worth it, so be patient and no doubt a system will become available, without too long a wait..

Dave T

i have two of the components that you are after, and since you are in berkshire you are not too far away for pick up or for me to drop off, thats of course if you want them

Peter

The hardest part to get hold of is the loom, as it involves stripping the interior out to get it out in one piece (God knows I've taken enough out now)

It's not the sort of thing you can make up either.....

Hello Ken,

Welcome on this thread. All units are compatible just fine.
5) You can always look for a breaker with the specified loom. If not suitable contact Kufatec at: http://shop.kufatec.de/product_info....t.html/cat/126
Remember: they only communicate in German but they sure do a great job if you specify your units correctly. What they need to know are the right specifications to make the loom as like:
- partnumbres of the units
- detailed pictures with back side connectors
- remote steering wheel control yes/no
- telephone mute yes/no
- additional wiring for reverse camera or so
- additional wirding for DVD (head rest screen for example)
- CD changer yes/no....back/front
- Type of car
- LHD or RHD
- fabrication year
- saloon or tourer (length of the loom)
- adres to send it to

A loom they make will cost about 153 GBP but it worked for me.

6) The wiring for the remote control on your steering wheel is brought by the K-bus interface. It will translate all communication you had from the old situation to the high line. Inform Kufatec about this that you look after this interface so they can include the wires within the loom with the specified connectors. From your existing remote wiring it will only be two wires wich can be seen on several wiring diagrams I put on this thread.

Good luck and let us know about your progres.

Regards Ralph :driving:

Ralph,

Thank you this is really helpful.

I will now go & buy the components (lets hope that ebay sellers are honest !)

Once I have them I'll contact the German company. I'll also use your idea of photo's as well as getting a German friend to translate.

Thank you.

PS:
My next thread will probably be about "how do I take seats and panels out !!!!"
But I'll cross that bridge when I come across it.

I have started to collect parts as well now. One 4:3 monitor secured, I have a lead on a BM24 and Mk3 units seem to be plentiful. Brackets might be an issue but worst case you could probably build an ugly but working substitute. :lol:

One thing that caught mu interest was this: I looks as the wiring loom extends the BMW radio interface connector to the center console which of course makes perfect sense if you upgrade from a regular sound system.

I have the HK system in my car with the amp in the boot so it seems to me that it would make more sense to wire the BM24 directly to the HK amp which should reduce the loom in thickness as well as improve sound quality. or have I missed something?

I assume the HK amp needs speaker level inputs, 12V main feed and 12V acc power (for control).

Another thing I was thinking about was the diversity amp. The symphonys antenna connectors look a lot like the ones on the BM24. Is the diversity amp used with the symphony compatible with the BM24?

Found a BM24 dirt cheap and a steering wheel K-bus interface at breakers now. Mk3 unit remains. Pity that I will be away on business trips for the next two weeks. :)

Hi,

I’ve finally managed to get my hands on a wiring loom, but now I’m not sure it’s the right one.

The loom I have is Part Number YMW100861 and at first glance it looked fine.

I was looking for the GPS Receiver plug on the loom (I was expecting a 7 pin green plug for Receiver YWY100361) but the only plug that I could see that could be for the GPS Receiver is a black 10 pin (8 wire) plug.

So I was hoping that someone could answer 2 questions for me:
1) Will this YMW100861 loom work with my ZT-T ?
2) Will I need a different receiver or can I somehow re-wire this plug to fit YWY100361 ?

I haven’t even tried having a look at my existing system so I’m also hoping that the ‘extra’ plugs/sockets at the dashboard end of the loom are simply for the glove box mounted multi-CD and steering wheel remote connections.

I should have said previously that I am a complete novice when it comes to this sort of stuff so please help educate me if I am completely wrong & looking at this the wrong way !

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

YMW100861 comes up as "Harness stereo radio cassette - Navigation module & display HI - On Board Television- Front " up to a very early VIN.

If you post a picture of all the connectors on it, I may be able to identify what it is, The GPS connection is a single thin black coaxial with a single silver connector on it.

Thanks David,

I'm not able to take the pictures straight away, I'll do it tonight.

Thanks.

Hi,

Here are the photo's of the various sections (ie: {starting from the boot} TV & radio tuner connections, Sat Nav connections, aerial connections & the 'dashboard' connections).

I hope that they're not too small...

Thanks.

From memeory, it looks about right.......if you compare it to the pictures in Keith How to thread it looks very similar.

The only difference may be the early looms had a connector to the trimble unit that sat on top of the satnav unit.

Yep the smaller black plug is the redundant trimble connector only needed for the MK2
If the loom is for a Tourer it will fit if from a saloon you will need to lengthen certain sections

what is a 361?

Ken I got your PM but I don't do one to ones via email on problems as I don't have anything like the time as some issues can go on for ever.

Hi Keith,

Thanks for the reply.

The 361 is "GPS Receiver Unit YWY100361", it was included in a 'job lot' of Sat Nav parts. I just assumed it was for the 75/ZT High Line system.

Really dumb question, but do I need a new GPS reciever unit (I couldn't see one in your 'how to' pictures, but it was listed in your "parts" list ? When I start to dismantle the Low Line system I assume I'll find one already installed ?

Oh I see, the GPS antenna or receiver as I called it is in the Sharks fin in the Tourer if you have lo line nav you already have one

If you are fitting the MK3/4 unit you will have the rest of the GPS receiver (the trimble) internal to that unit if a mk2 then it uses an external trimble unit.

:)This is my first posting.
Thanks for all of this information, someone should put it into a book. Over the last few months I have been collecting the parts for the retrofit and my Kufatec loom arrived this week. Yesterday I gave everything a connection check from the front seat of the car and the above message on C0982 which was taped back and not attached to anything was crucial in finding the correct cables to make things work. There seems to be two problems :
1. The radio works only on long and medium wave not on FM. It does not find any stations on FM at all. Is this a monitor or aerial problem? My old radio does not have a problem finding stations.
2. The other is to do with the navigation CD which remains in the unit and makes whirring noises constantly.

My current radio is the single din with the flip down face hiding the cassette slot connected to a 6 CD player.
Any thoughts on these problems would be appreciated.

This is the manual of the Symphony High Line. See page 4 to select wave band FM or AM and let me know what happens.

About the noises from the GPS computer read this thread: http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...read.php?t=109
First check if all connections are properly made. Try to shut down the power from the computer carefully regarding this thread and switch it on again. The GPS unit will always make some noise while starting up but after 2 minutes the unit must be stabile in stand by mode. The red LED must light up constantly without flikkering. Try to eject the CD and clean it. If it still doesn't work let me know.

Regards Ralph:driving:

Thanks Ralph
I have tried pressing FM and scanning but no stations located even on manual tuning. I am wondering if it is because I have not connected the SMB cable at the back of the radio. Does anyone know what this is for and what you should connect to it? This is not shown on wiring diagrams.

I have followed the threads on the sat nav CD and removed the CD maually and the unit has settled down. The CD won't go back in and I think there may be something wrong with the mechanism. Will explore further.

Another thing on the electrical ISO plug (grey one) I have two wires I cannot work out what they are for in position 1 and 2 (connector C0098). The wiring diagram says that 1 should be the phone mute and 2 the steering wheel remte + but 3 is empty and that should be the steering wheel remote -ve. The remote wires are elsewhere anyway. Any ideas what these are for they are coloured Grey/green and Red/Green?
Thanks
Al

Al, can you make some visuals :shrug: I don't understand the type of satnav you have. (high line or low line?) and don't understand the SMB cable. Also your aerial on the radio module (not the head unit) is it connected to the right wire, because there are different aerials in your rear screen. There are two for the TV-module (diversity amp at the left side) and one for the radio module. The aerial for the radio is mounted on the right side of your rear screen, looking from inside out. The radio aerial goes to your dash but must be included in your loom, leading to your boot, where youre radio module will be mounted (high line). If you have a low line, you can simply connect the aerial wire in the head unit coming out from the dash.

Regards Ralph :driving:

Have a look at the following thread..
The aerial connection for your radio is in the rear nearside C pillar trim.
The aerial amp for the Hi Line sat nav has 4 connections but your present radio amp has only 2 connections.
The thread explains how to connect it up..
Your FM signal will be much improved..
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...24&postcount=1
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...7&postcount=13
Dave T

Ralph
I am trying to connect hi-line to one of Rovers last radio offerings. On the hi-line radio module there is the normal radio connection as well as an smb socket similar the pair that are in the TV module. Should anything be connected to this? Also on the tourer the amplifier is not on the pillar as expected, it seems to be well into the head lining somewhere as the attachment is of course from the side window (as you say) not the rear. Will the TV connection be in the same place? I will bring the connection from the dash as suggested.

Dave, thanks for those pointers will follow up today (if I can locate the amp) and see where it gets me.
Al

The SMB connector would be for the diversity antenna cable I guess. Don't know how bad the reception would be without it.