Sounds horrible, TF issue today?

Weso · 28th June 2015, 20:20

On the way to the King's Lynn meet today in my TF160, just 5 miles into journey when K series engine just started making horrendous noise. Sounded like something dragging on ground, but checked and nothing dragging.

Nursed car back home and fairly sure it was firing on just 3 with noise smoothing out a fraction at higher revs, not that I was going to rev it under such circumstances.

Pulled into a garage forecourt immediately after car started making noise.
Lone mechanic working on his own car listened and said it sounded dreadful and suggested it might of dropped a valve?

Oil and coolant thankfully normal and no warning lights.

Here's a clip of car on drive at idle earlier tonight. Just click on it and it will go into my photobucket account and start playing (hopefully)

All advice and comment welcome. Appreciate it's not a 75/ZT but aware of much accumulated K series knowledge amongst members on here

Think this could be the end of MGR ownership for me

Hope this video works

MrDoodles · 28th June 2015, 22:04

Just a suggestion Mark, it may be better to do another video with the engine cover open and go from one end to the other to give people an idea of where the noise is coming from mate!

Hope you get it sorted!

Les4048 · 28th June 2015, 22:11

It reminds me of when my father and I used to start an engine on the floor with no exhaust. It really sounds like the exhaust and cat has detached itself. Probably completely wrong, hope you get it fixed

Weso · 30th June 2015, 21:05

Initial diagnosis by local garage where work is underway!

Engine mount has come adrift allowing engine to drop

. Can only assume that this will cause damage to various other components especially exhaust/cat/ manifold related. Car was driven home about 4 miles in this state be it very slowly

Having viewed car in locked workshop tonight car is jacked up on drivers side if this might be a clue as to which engine mount it might be.

Mechanic I spoke to reckoned bolts were cross threaded and likely not fully tight

They are going to sort engine mount etc then assess any further damage..

Hoping to monitor progress closely.

Will keep this thread updated as and when I learn more

Thanks for all the advice thus far.

guru · 30th June 2015, 23:48

Sorry to hear this, doesn't sound great, however if it does need a lot of work doing then I happen to have a TF160 very nearby with a perfect engine and drive train, beautiful and rare red interior (including the dash) and sadly lots of rust! Maybe we could make a good car between the 2 of them?

minimutly · 1st July 2015, 11:24

Engine mount not properly fitted - sounds like my wife's car when we bough it. It had a service history from stadons in torquay, but whether they, or someone else had been at it, the car was a mess. At 70 k it had a new clutch apparently, well the rear subframe was half loose, bolts left snapped, untightened, engine belhousing bolts loose, side shield missing, even the stops inside the drivers door glass mechanism were missing.
There truly are some Cowboys out there, whether mgr cars suffer worse from these or not I don't know, and it may be people just wanting rid cheaply, but nothing surprises me anymore.

pletevl · 1st July 2015, 13:27

Same happened to our TF.
The cambelt side big bolts on the engine mount came lose and one snapped, the engine dropped on that side and the crank pulley was spinning and rubbing on the subframe, it made a horrendous screeching noise. The pulley on the subframe stopped the engine from dropping any further so no other damage was done.

MrDoodles · 1st July 2015, 13:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weso

Initial diagnosis by local garage where work is underway!

Engine mount has come adrift allowing engine to drop

. Can only assume that this will cause damage to various other components especially exhaust/cat/ manifold related. Car was driven home about 4 miles in this state be it very slowly

Having viewed car in locked workshop tonight car is jacked up on drivers side if this might be a clue as to which engine mount it might be.

Mechanic I spoke to reckoned bolts were cross threaded and likely not fully tight

They are going to sort engine mount etc then assess any further damage..

Hoping to monitor progress closely.

Will keep this thread updated as and when I learn more

Thanks for all the advice thus far.

Well as we discussed at the weekend mate, thankfully it's something external to the engine and not internal as you were thinking!

Let us know when it's sorted!

Weso · 4th July 2015, 21:22

Picked up the TF today, all done. No other damage beyond drivers side engine mount. Garages biggest concern was sourcing a replacement but they found one, put it all back together and car back to how it should be. In fact feels better than previous. Rear of car feels so much tighter.

As someone said on this thread, garage said the crankshaft pulley touching rear subframe rather saves the day, not withstanding noise it makes at the time.

Won't know the cost for a while yet, they get a bill to me in about 3 weeks and give me 4 weeks to pay it. Not a bad arrangement

At least I have a MGR to drive to next King's Lynn meet.

Thanks all your contributions

MrDoodles · 5th July 2015, 09:59

Good news then Mark!

28th June 2015, 20:20	#1
Weso I really should get out more....... Mondeo ST TDCI Estate Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Norwich Posts: 2,834 Thanks: 919 Thanked 358 Times in 284 Posts	Sounds horrible, TF issue today? On the way to the King's Lynn meet today in my TF160, just 5 miles into journey when K series engine just started making horrendous noise. Sounded like something dragging on ground, but checked and nothing dragging. Nursed car back home and fairly sure it was firing on just 3 with noise smoothing out a fraction at higher revs, not that I was going to rev it under such circumstances. Pulled into a garage forecourt immediately after car started making noise. Lone mechanic working on his own car listened and said it sounded dreadful and suggested it might of dropped a valve? Oil and coolant thankfully normal and no warning lights. Here's a clip of car on drive at idle earlier tonight. Just click on it and it will go into my photobucket account and start playing (hopefully) All advice and comment welcome. Appreciate it's not a 75/ZT but aware of much accumulated K series knowledge amongst members on here Think this could be the end of MGR ownership for me Hope this video works

30th June 2015, 21:05	#4
Weso I really should get out more....... Mondeo ST TDCI Estate Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Norwich Posts: 2,834 Thanks: 919 Thanked 358 Times in 284 Posts	Initial diagnosis by local garage where work is underway! Engine mount has come adrift allowing engine to drop. Can only assume that this will cause damage to various other components especially exhaust/cat/ manifold related. Car was driven home about 4 miles in this state be it very slowly Having viewed car in locked workshop tonight car is jacked up on drivers side if this might be a clue as to which engine mount it might be. Mechanic I spoke to reckoned bolts were cross threaded and likely not fully tight They are going to sort engine mount etc then assess any further damage.. Hoping to monitor progress closely. Will keep this thread updated as and when I learn more Thanks for all the advice thus far.

30th June 2015, 23:48	#5
guru Posted a thing or two MG ZT, Rover Sterling, MG ZS EV & BMW X5 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: The Norfolk Broads Posts: 1,491 Thanks: 20 Thanked 196 Times in 117 Posts	Sorry to hear this, doesn't sound great, however if it does need a lot of work doing then I happen to have a TF160 very nearby with a perfect engine and drive train, beautiful and rare red interior (including the dash) and sadly lots of rust! Maybe we could make a good car between the 2 of them? __________________ My car history http://m6jkk.com

28th June 2015, 22:04	#2
MrDoodles Banned MG ZT+ V6 190 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Spalding Posts: 13,245 Thanks: 369 Thanked 1,196 Times in 818 Posts	Just a suggestion Mark, it may be better to do another video with the engine cover open and go from one end to the other to give people an idea of where the noise is coming from mate! Hope you get it sorted!

28th June 2015, 22:11	#3
Les4048 This is my second home Rover 75 Tourer/ MG ZT-T 400 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Lhanbryde Posts: 3,278 Thanks: 2,627 Thanked 1,523 Times in 869 Posts	It reminds me of when my father and I used to start an engine on the floor with no exhaust. It really sounds like the exhaust and cat has detached itself. Probably completely wrong, hope you get it fixed

1st July 2015, 11:24	#6
minimutly Posted a thing or two mg zt Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: cardigan Posts: 1,087 Thanks: 28 Thanked 187 Times in 158 Posts	Engine mount not properly fitted - sounds like my wife's car when we bough it. It had a service history from stadons in torquay, but whether they, or someone else had been at it, the car was a mess. At 70 k it had a new clutch apparently, well the rear subframe was half loose, bolts left snapped, untightened, engine belhousing bolts loose, side shield missing, even the stops inside the drivers door glass mechanism were missing. There truly are some Cowboys out there, whether mgr cars suffer worse from these or not I don't know, and it may be people just wanting rid cheaply, but nothing surprises me anymore.

1st July 2015, 13:27	#7
pletevl Posted a thing or two rover 75 cdti(rhd), MG ZR(lhd), MG TF(lhd), MG TF(rhd), mini mpi (lhd), Renault megane III (awful) Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: East of France Posts: 1,282 Thanks: 124 Thanked 114 Times in 93 Posts	Same happened to our TF. The cambelt side big bolts on the engine mount came lose and one snapped, the engine dropped on that side and the crank pulley was spinning and rubbing on the subframe, it made a horrendous screeching noise. The pulley on the subframe stopped the engine from dropping any further so no other damage was done.

4th July 2015, 21:22	#9
Weso I really should get out more....... Mondeo ST TDCI Estate Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Norwich Posts: 2,834 Thanks: 919 Thanked 358 Times in 284 Posts	Picked up the TF today, all done. No other damage beyond drivers side engine mount. Garages biggest concern was sourcing a replacement but they found one, put it all back together and car back to how it should be. In fact feels better than previous. Rear of car feels so much tighter. As someone said on this thread, garage said the crankshaft pulley touching rear subframe rather saves the day, not withstanding noise it makes at the time. Won't know the cost for a while yet, they get a bill to me in about 3 weeks and give me 4 weeks to pay it. Not a bad arrangement At least I have a MGR to drive to next King's Lynn meet. Thanks all your contributions

5th July 2015, 09:59	#10
MrDoodles Banned MG ZT+ V6 190 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Spalding Posts: 13,245 Thanks: 369 Thanked 1,196 Times in 818 Posts	Good news then Mark!