Tourer roof rail trims - How do they come off? - Page 2

Rick estate · 2nd April 2013, 08:52

hi. did you get to the bottom of this? i seem to have the same leak. on the same back corner and dripping through a gap from the inside of the rear pillar and ending up in the cubby on top of the cd changer.
my thoughts were the roof rail seal, but im not so sure after reading this thread.

EDIT - i thought it was 2012. its not. its 2013. so this thread is not as new as i thought. sorry.

Frank Incensed · 2nd April 2013, 12:22

I know someone with a 2004 ZT-T who had water dripping on the CD player. I'll be seeing him tomorrow night, so I'll ask if he knows if the water was getting in the same way. Or you could come to The Hollow Tree meeting tomorrow night and speak to him in person.

Rick estate · 3rd April 2013, 08:43

thanks for the reply. if you could ask him it would be great.
cant make the me meet as wednesday night is bike ride night.
think i will remove the roof rail and trim and re-seal under there.

thegreatdaddo · 3rd April 2013, 19:19

I had a similar water leak on my Tourer. Finding the leak spot is a very frustrating business! I finally tracked my leaks down to the weld joints in the top U channel adjacent the rubber seal for the tailgate. It leaked both sides. Water sprayed anywhere on the back of the car will drain into this channel and then down past the tailgate struts. As with your leak, the water tracks down the rear pillars and emerges below the rear windows, leaving pools in the side panel and in the spare wheel well. There was no obvious rust or cracked / missing sealant, but applying body sealant over the joints fixed the leak. I found that only proper auto seal did the job. Silicone (bath) sealant does not stick to the shiny paint surface and Duck tape is OK for a short time but eventually loosens when immersed in water. It is worth spending £20 on a tin of the proper auto body sealant. I overpainted the sealant with touch up paint and it looks as good as new. Good luck with fixing your leak!

Rick estate · 3rd April 2013, 22:21

thanks daddo, i will do that. im pretty sure its the same leak.

Frank Incensed · 4th April 2013, 06:32

I spoke to David (ZT-T) about this last night. Unfortunately the garage that did the repair had said something along the lines that they had re-sealed the joint at the end of the roof rail. I suspect this means the seam in the bodywork, rather than where the roof rail locates to the body, but David isn't sure.
Sorry

colb1 · 4th February 2014, 21:42

Hi All
I've had this problem for a couple of years now - drips onto my sat nav unit in the cubby hole in the boot, and also makes spare wheel-well wet. Not a big drip - but big enough!
Seen Beinet's excellent explanation & pictures, & everybody else's input which makes me confident it's the welds by the roof rails. I've had a torch & mirror in the cubby hole and can see a drip on the inside of the body panel beneath the vent.
Before I get the sealer applied I wanted to be able to take the interior trim out to check current drip path before, and check it after. It's the grey plastic trim with the cubby hole that's defeating me. Anybody got any advise on this? Is it inevitable any retaining clips will break? I've taken the side carry hook out, but the panel still feels firmly attached! The Haynes manual just says release 7 clips!!!
Any advise - or pictures ! - would be much appreciated.
I'll try to keep a picture log of my efforts - if the rain ever stops!

beinet1 · 5th February 2014, 05:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by colb1

Hi All
I've had this problem for a couple of years now - drips onto my sat nav unit in the cubby hole in the boot, and also makes spare wheel-well wet. Not a big drip - but big enough!
Seen Beinet's excellent explanation & pictures, & everybody else's input which makes me confident it's the welds by the roof rails. I've had a torch & mirror in the cubby hole and can see a drip on the inside of the body panel beneath the vent.
Before I get the sealer applied I wanted to be able to take the interior trim out to check current drip path before, and check it after. It's the grey plastic trim with the cubby hole that's defeating me. Anybody got any advise on this? Is it inevitable any retaining clips will break? I've taken the side carry hook out, but the panel still feels firmly attached! The Haynes manual just says release 7 clips!!!
Any advise - or pictures ! - would be much appreciated.
I'll try to keep a picture log of my efforts - if the rain ever stops!

Do as the haynes manual describe. Its not to bad but a few clips may break anyway as they get brittle over the years

Good luck! Mine is still bone dry in the rear after nearly 3 years after my fix

colb1 · 6th February 2014, 12:00

Thanks for the reassurance - I'll give it a go when there's the prospect of a few dry days!!!

Simon W · 26th February 2018, 16:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaiser

It is strange if you have a leak there. The roof rails trim sit in channels in the roof, which are completely sealed, except for a couple of bolts, which are sealed with some paste. These bolt holes are the only physical holes into the car from the rails, or, rather, should be, if the car has been properly manufactured.
If I remember correct, I pulled the whole insert out of the channel towards the back without any problems

Kaiser - re the pic on the right in your original post (post 6 on page 1), does that blue/silver-coloured bracket mounting thing go through the metal roof, i.e. is there a hole in the metal roof panel?

The reason I ask is the last line of post 10 here. TIA

2nd April 2013, 12:22	#12
Frank Incensed Ex 75 Owner 75 Tourerless Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,147 Thanks: 60 Thanked 156 Times in 93 Posts	I know someone with a 2004 ZT-T who had water dripping on the CD player. I'll be seeing him tomorrow night, so I'll ask if he knows if the water was getting in the same way. Or you could come to The Hollow Tree meeting tomorrow night and speak to him in person. __________________ Beyoncé's Green Light Used More Rubber 355188 of 355194

4th April 2013, 06:32	#16
Frank Incensed Ex 75 Owner 75 Tourerless Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,147 Thanks: 60 Thanked 156 Times in 93 Posts	Not Specific I'm Afraid I spoke to David (ZT-T) about this last night. Unfortunately the garage that did the repair had said something along the lines that they had re-sealed the joint at the end of the roof rail. I suspect this means the seam in the bodywork, rather than where the roof rail locates to the body, but David isn't sure. Sorry __________________ Beyoncé's Green Light Used More Rubber 355188 of 355194

4th February 2014, 21:42	#17
colb1 Newbie Rover 75 Tourer Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Newark Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	How to remove interior trim to check I've stopped the leak? Hi All I've had this problem for a couple of years now - drips onto my sat nav unit in the cubby hole in the boot, and also makes spare wheel-well wet. Not a big drip - but big enough! Seen Beinet's excellent explanation & pictures, & everybody else's input which makes me confident it's the welds by the roof rails. I've had a torch & mirror in the cubby hole and can see a drip on the inside of the body panel beneath the vent. Before I get the sealer applied I wanted to be able to take the interior trim out to check current drip path before, and check it after. It's the grey plastic trim with the cubby hole that's defeating me. Anybody got any advise on this? Is it inevitable any retaining clips will break? I've taken the side carry hook out, but the panel still feels firmly attached! The Haynes manual just says release 7 clips!!! Any advise - or pictures ! - would be much appreciated. I'll try to keep a picture log of my efforts - if the rain ever stops!

2nd April 2013, 08:52	#11
Rick estate Newbie MG ZT-T Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Wigan Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hi. did you get to the bottom of this? i seem to have the same leak. on the same back corner and dripping through a gap from the inside of the rear pillar and ending up in the cubby on top of the cd changer. my thoughts were the roof rail seal, but im not so sure after reading this thread. EDIT - i thought it was 2012. its not. its 2013. so this thread is not as new as i thought. sorry.

3rd April 2013, 08:43	#13
Rick estate Newbie MG ZT-T Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Wigan Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks for the reply. if you could ask him it would be great. cant make the me meet as wednesday night is bike ride night. think i will remove the roof rail and trim and re-seal under there.

3rd April 2013, 19:19	#14
thegreatdaddo Regular poster Rover 75 Tourer Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Bristol Posts: 52 Thanks: 7 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	I had a similar water leak on my Tourer. Finding the leak spot is a very frustrating business! I finally tracked my leaks down to the weld joints in the top U channel adjacent the rubber seal for the tailgate. It leaked both sides. Water sprayed anywhere on the back of the car will drain into this channel and then down past the tailgate struts. As with your leak, the water tracks down the rear pillars and emerges below the rear windows, leaving pools in the side panel and in the spare wheel well. There was no obvious rust or cracked / missing sealant, but applying body sealant over the joints fixed the leak. I found that only proper auto seal did the job. Silicone (bath) sealant does not stick to the shiny paint surface and Duck tape is OK for a short time but eventually loosens when immersed in water. It is worth spending £20 on a tin of the proper auto body sealant. I overpainted the sealant with touch up paint and it looks as good as new. Good luck with fixing your leak!

3rd April 2013, 22:21	#15
Rick estate Newbie MG ZT-T Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Wigan Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks daddo, i will do that. im pretty sure its the same leak.

6th February 2014, 12:00	#19
colb1 Newbie Rover 75 Tourer Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Newark Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the reassurance - I'll give it a go when there's the prospect of a few dry days!!!